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Biff

Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 439
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: Biff's Unified Speculation Thread |
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"Well, it's very impressive, yes, but we need to ask you a few questions."
~Frank Drebin
The speculation expressed below is purely my own (where not stolen from other Sentries) and does not necessarily represent the speculation of Sentry Outpost or its affiliates. All speculation contained herein is for entertainment purposes only and should not be used for the purposes of selecting stocks or finding a mate. I reserve the right to change the content of this speculation without notice if it suits my agenda or makes me look smarter.
This is what I think
The Scream
I think the scream originates from the realm of Yog SodOff if not from Mr. Yoggers hisownself. As Yog is transdimensional, so too is the scream, existing in the dreamlands, the EM and the audible/physical realm at once. The scream may be a communications medium, a carrier wave or data stream or similar (like a modem screech). (see Lucky5 below)
BA St. Feline
I think BA started lucid dreaming in January of 2007. Possibly due to the lucky5 infection of her PC. Can somehow tap the scream to "read" the contents??? Acts as a conduit of sorts in that she too can operate in the dreamlands as well as the physical plane. Capable of performing <babble>mancy to bring things from the dreamlands into the physical realm (see lion, bullet). Just prior to the scream, she was able to update her website with dream memories while in the NRQZ (see whereareyou.wav). This indicates she can use the dreamlands to connect to the internet?? Maybe her dreamspace is the internet itself. It is possible that the bullet or lion she got in the dreamlands are a sort of gateway for this phenomenon, or more likely she can do it without an artifact. When BA encountered the scream, it overloaded her link to the internets and what I presume were her memories were uploaded to her server.
Spukhafte Fernwirkung
I think Sputnik FerkinWerkin exhibits traits consistent with NyarlyTwoStep. He appeared as a youth inside the oblation.mp3 file and as a young man elsewhere as confirmed by Peter at ForSythe. This implies shapeshiftage, a trait of Nyarly dude. (this is better explained by others in the thread about SF)
Nyarlathotep
According to Wikipedia, NyarlyTwostep appears in the dreamlands as a funky mist. This could explain the ever present mist at the cemetery and the Arabic whispers heard by BA when she went there.
Lucky 5
I think Lucky5/boil is an attempt to emulate the scream via conventional electronic means and a network of infected computers to "answer" or initiate conversation with the other end of The Original Scream(tm). It may rely on dreamers to achieve this since the infected PCs cause lucid dreaming in certain individuals. It's possible the communication mechanism mimics that of The Original Scream (tm) itself, i.e. much as lucky5 exchanged keys and encrypted data with the boil, so too may the boil exchange keys and encrypted data with The Original Scream (tm). Also, since BA could crack the encryption of lucky 5 (she got us passwords and snippets), she presumably can crack The Original Scream (tm) (see BA section)
Hope the Angel
I speculated earlier that The cemetery angel was a sort of antenna for communications between Chorazos and Mr. Yoggers. This was kind of supported by the four fingered hand atop the server in the Atlanta ritual. If this is indeed the case, it opens up some interesting possibilities as regards BA's Cabin Dream wherein Hope flew away and BA took her place. If my line of reasoning is correct, that would make BA the new antenna for communications between Chorazos and Mr. Yoggers.
Dr. Elizabeth Riley
I think Dr. Riley feels guilty because her theories about phase inversion are directly related to the deaths of the 13 people at Taylor Run.
Taylor Run: Oct 31, 1999
The research team was killed by Chorazos because they WERE trying use phase inversion to silence/muffle The Original Scream (tm).
Detachment 3, the Council, and Moon Bounce.
Moon bounce is a local/terrestrial communication method limited to monitoring Earth based communications. Therefore the reason Det 3 et. al. listen for moonbounce is to "spy" on anyone trying to answer The Original Scream (tm). They know what it is and where it's coming from and the implications of an established communication channel.
I know I missed some stuff and am probably way off base on other stuff.
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TBILL

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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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I know this is completely useless and not helpful but since its Biff's Unified Speculation Thread can we call it BUST?  |
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Biff

Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 439
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Biff

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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:53 am Post subject: |
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Bryce
The last we heard from Bryce, he said he was close to figuring it out.
I think he actually cracked the encryption, and what he saw within drove him mad. It would make sense then that Chorazos would need an intermediary (Nyarly) to facilitate communication with Mr. Yoggers since direct communication would drive them all mad. |
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TBILL

Joined: 25 Sep 2007 Posts: 12
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:28 am Post subject: Agreed |
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| I agree with pretty much all your speculation Biff. Of course it all just begs the question....What do we do now? |
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Sidtheduck Site Admin

Joined: 07 May 2007 Posts: 239 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:47 am Post subject: |
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So far as my thinking is going, I think I'm pretty much in line with what you've posted above, Biff. I'll try to gather my thoughts and post any additions I have to your spec.
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The last we heard from Bryce, he said he was close to figuring it out.
I think he actually cracked the encryption, and what he saw within drove him mad. It would make sense then that Chorazos would need an intermediary (Nyarly) to facilitate communication with Mr. Yoggers since direct communication would drive them all mad. |
I know this is spec, but I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate (no not that crappy movie, but the idiom / turn of phrase) and wonder at the credibility of Mr. Yoggers being contained within an encrypted file. I too think that Bryce busted that code like a fat kid on a folding chair. However, what was within that code could have been any number of things (flashy anime causing extreme seizures . . . the unstoppable brilliance of the perfect code virus causing a panic attack . . . goatse).
What's contained within is part of what we have been trying to find out this whole time. I know this is all speculation in this thread (that's why you started it), but I'm not quite sure we can roll out the Jump to Conclusions Mat and land on Yog-to-the-Y. Or maybe I'm not following you correctly. Would the code be trans-dimensional gate to Yog's Palace of Love (tm), Lucky 5 the key to connect it, and the BOIL the data encrypted dictation of the Scream? I don't know . . . gotta put my thinkin' cap on over my foily hat to see if I can get the ol' brain juices flowin'.
BBL  _________________ If MUDs had reality altering powers we'd be tits deep in elves by now.
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Jjason

Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 424 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: Biff's Unified Speculation Thread |
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I've always felt that whatever Bryce discovered that night was bad (and it had to do with Marie) but not necessarily sanity-blasting. I mean, he was sleep deprived, spooked by BA's mention of dead birds, stressed out from working too hard, and just generally severaly on edge. What he saw pushed him over the edge but he was on the edge already.
And now, some more speculation!
The Taylor Run Disaster - I think this event was put together by the Council with the intention of studying the scream. And given that Chorazos felt the need to kill them off, they were probably close to something. DC spoke of "the unspeakable pact they [Chorazos] made with something ancient in these mountains" (here) Maybe Chorazos got whatever the Council was looking for. Which brings me to:
Lucky 5 - Lucky5 is somehow connected to whatever happened in the mountains that night. DC says that it draws on the aforementioned pact and the clock in Lucky5 counts down from then. As for what's it's doing, I think it's looking for something. It was sifting through Sentry Outpost's archives for some reason - I think it was looking for whatever Peter had to take down because of the Edict.
Miskatonic - I think Miskatonic may be a front for the Council and if not there's at least a whole number of Eldritch working there. I mean, there's Exu and Dr. Riley and then all of the people that Exu mentioned in his first posts - the intuitive researcher, the guy who reminded him of the edict, etc.
More later. Probably. _________________ WHO IS SAINT FENLINE?
"We remain convinced that this is the best defensive posture to adopt in order to minimize casualties when the Great Old Ones return from beyond the stars to eat our brains." - from The Concrete Jungle by Charles Stross |
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Dav Flamerock

Joined: 27 Apr 2007 Posts: 450 Location: East Bay, CA
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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I think you hit right on with you description of the Taylor Run Disaster. Which then leads me to wonder... Howard, is it possible that Adrianna was secretly a part of the Council? Because Miskatonic certainly seems like a good front for the Council if they wanted to investigate the Scream... perhaps they started working out of Miskatonic after they figured out that the Taylor Run Cave System was important. _________________ ~Dav Flamerock
"There are probably seven persons, in all, who really like my work; and they are enough. I should write even if I were the only patient reader, for my aim is merely self-expression." ~H.P. Lovecraft
I think this means something, but it's going to take a little more digging. ~ Eddie Pope
(Smith, Tessla, GreenieXIII, Anaru, KyubiKiitsune) |
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Jjason

Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 424 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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More speculation -
the 1988 Telescope Collapse - I think we're all pretty sure the scream destroyed the radio telescope. An alternate theory which I just came up with is that maybe Chorazos destroyed it. Or maybe a halfway point - maybe they sabotaged the gusset plate so it couldn't survive the force of the scream.
The reason I came up with that alternate theory is that the more I think about the Taylor Run disaster, the more odd it seems. If Chorazos is against the Conclave studying the scream, why don't they go around blowing up radio telescopes? Either there must've been some different about that experiment or (as I theorized in this rather extreme bit of speculation. I probably wouldn't go that far anymore). they didn't exist until the caving accident. We can't necessarily believe everything they told DC but it does make sense that they caused the caving disaster. It's just why and how that I'm not sure about.
The Packages - DC sent these, right? He told dante so, in his e-mail And he sent them to people he thought could help - people who knew something about the occult, people who were good at solving mysterious, people who knew stuff about computer security (since he knew about Lucky5). I can't think that Sentry Outpost was a random choice - too many coincidence. I mean, he just happens to try to get the attention of a group of people including both Howard (who's closely connected to Chorazos's former activity), Kevin (who's also had a few Chorazos connections), and Art (Temple of Mars-Nodens anybody)? That's too lucky to be believed. The question therefore is why he picked Sentry Outpost. For the same (still unknown) reason that it got infected? Or something else?
Who on Sentry Outpost got packages? Howard did, with the crickets, as did Bryce and Jen. Did Kevin? Did Marie? It seems most likely that DC knew of one person and then sent packages to people connected to them. The question's who's the person DC knew about first...
Man, I always do this - try to express a simple idea or lay out what I think and I end up going off complicated flights of fancy. Oh well. One last piece of speculation, for now.
The Feast before the Scream - Sort of the dreamers equivalent of thanksgiving - in that it's a big get together and celebration before the hard times hit. As Sploit showed us, when the Scream hits it's a painful to the dreamers (and possibly fatal if they're too close) so they have a celebration beforehand to prepare. Steel their nerves, remind themselves that other people are going through what they're going through, get support from the community, all that. It's interesting that people've been dreaming long enough for them to develop holidays - it's happened enough that it's become established tradition. _________________ WHO IS SAINT FENLINE?
"We remain convinced that this is the best defensive posture to adopt in order to minimize casualties when the Great Old Ones return from beyond the stars to eat our brains." - from The Concrete Jungle by Charles Stross |
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Obtusitivity

Joined: 05 Jun 2007 Posts: 585 Location: Santa Rosa, CA
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:21 am Post subject: Re: Biff's Unified Speculation Thread |
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| Biff wrote: |
"Well, it's very impressive, yes, but we need to ask you a few questions."
~Frank Drebin
The speculation expressed below is purely my own (where not stolen from other Sentries) and does not necessarily represent the speculation of Sentry Outpost or its affiliates. All speculation contained herein is for entertainment purposes only and should not be used for the purposes of selecting stocks or finding a mate. I reserve the right to change the content of this speculation without notice if it suits my agenda or makes me look smarter.
This is what I think
The Scream
I think the scream originates from the realm of Yog SodOff if not from Mr. Yoggers hisownself. As Yog is transdimensional, so too is the scream, existing in the dreamlands, the EM and the audible/physical realm at once. The scream may be a communications medium, a carrier wave or data stream or similar (like a modem screech). (see Lucky5 below)
BA St. Feline
I think BA started lucid dreaming in January of 2007. Possibly due to the lucky5 infection of her PC. Can somehow tap the scream to "read" the contents??? Acts as a conduit of sorts in that she too can operate in the dreamlands as well as the physical plane. Capable of performing <babble>mancy to bring things from the dreamlands into the physical realm (see lion, bullet). Just prior to the scream, she was able to update her website with dream memories while in the NRQZ (see whereareyou.wav). This indicates she can use the dreamlands to connect to the internet?? Maybe her dreamspace is the internet itself. It is possible that the bullet or lion she got in the dreamlands are a sort of gateway for this phenomenon, or more likely she can do it without an artifact. When BA encountered the scream, it overloaded her link to the internets and what I presume were her memories were uploaded to her server.
Spukhafte Fernwirkung
I think Sputnik FerkinWerkin exhibits traits consistent with NyarlyTwoStep. He appeared as a youth inside the oblation.mp3 file and as a young man elsewhere as confirmed by Peter at ForSythe. This implies shapeshiftage, a trait of Nyarly dude. (this is better explained by others in the thread about SF)
Nyarlathotep
According to Wikipedia, NyarlyTwostep appears in the dreamlands as a funky mist. This could explain the ever present mist at the cemetery and the Arabic whispers heard by BA when she went there.
Lucky 5
I think Lucky5/boil is an attempt to emulate the scream via conventional electronic means and a network of infected computers to "answer" or initiate conversation with the other end of The Original Scream(tm). It may rely on dreamers to achieve this since the infected PCs cause lucid dreaming in certain individuals. It's possible the communication mechanism mimics that of The Original Scream (tm) itself, i.e. much as lucky5 exchanged keys and encrypted data with the boil, so too may the boil exchange keys and encrypted data with The Original Scream (tm). Also, since BA could crack the encryption of lucky 5 (she got us passwords and snippets), she presumably can crack The Original Scream (tm) (see BA section)
Hope the Angel
I speculated earlier that The cemetery angel was a sort of antenna for communications between Chorazos and Mr. Yoggers. This was kind of supported by the four fingered hand atop the server in the Atlanta ritual. If this is indeed the case, it opens up some interesting possibilities as regards BA's Cabin Dream wherein Hope flew away and BA took her place. If my line of reasoning is correct, that would make BA the new antenna for communications between Chorazos and Mr. Yoggers.
Dr. Elizabeth Riley
I think Dr. Riley feels guilty because her theories about phase inversion are directly related to the deaths of the 13 people at Taylor Run.
Taylor Run: Oct 31, 1999
The research team was killed by Chorazos because they WERE trying use phase inversion to silence/muffle The Original Scream (tm).
Detachment 3, the Council, and Moon Bounce.
Moon bounce is a local/terrestrial communication method limited to monitoring Earth based communications. Therefore the reason Det 3 et. al. listen for moonbounce is to "spy" on anyone trying to answer The Original Scream (tm). They know what it is and where it's coming from and the implications of an established communication channel.
I know I missed some stuff and am probably way off base on other stuff.
Post your thoughts and help flesh this out some more. |
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Unknown Quantity

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Segmentation Fault (core dumped) _________________ "A sword by itself rules nothing. It only comes alive in skilled hands." |
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Jjason

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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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More speculation. Let's talk about Sentry Outpost. According to Exu "where you stand was part of what lead to that edict". Which is to say that events on Sentry Outpost directly lead to the passing of the edict. That something happened here that spooked the counsel enough to ban all internet communications yet that HPhack doesn't even especially remember. So something subtle. The most obvious place to point figures is Peter and his work that needed to be removed come 2001. All records of this work were destroyed in the server crash even if they weren't removed beforehand, so all we know about that is in the form of what boil dug up. Which isn't much. So short form: I speculate that Peter, and possibly by extension the Knights of Mars-Nodens, ran some kind of experiment back in 2001 which caused the Edict and that which Boil, and therefore Lucky5, is searching for. _________________ WHO IS SAINT FENLINE?
"We remain convinced that this is the best defensive posture to adopt in order to minimize casualties when the Great Old Ones return from beyond the stars to eat our brains." - from The Concrete Jungle by Charles Stross |
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Transtar

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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ok my turn for some speculation: The Trussed swan HD.
Since the boil process brought up some of the Arabic prayers (from the Lucky 5 infection), and we saw those same prayers on the Trussed Swan HD along with more prayers, I think that the prayers were what allowed us to see the dream landscape through the MUD, but not do much else because the files were incomplete. Since the Trussed Swan HD has the completed prayers, it might allow the user to fully access the dream scape. Of course this is just my wild thoughts and speculation. _________________ Avatar from the Girl Genius Comic |
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Dav Flamerock

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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So then you're saying that if we somehow made a MUD and used the prayer, it'd get us into the dreamscape via MUD? tight! _________________ ~Dav Flamerock
"There are probably seven persons, in all, who really like my work; and they are enough. I should write even if I were the only patient reader, for my aim is merely self-expression." ~H.P. Lovecraft
I think this means something, but it's going to take a little more digging. ~ Eddie Pope
(Smith, Tessla, GreenieXIII, Anaru, KyubiKiitsune) |
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Transtar

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sure there is some other magical stuff happening to get "the portal" open.
Still fleshing out the details of the spec. _________________ Avatar from the Girl Genius Comic |
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