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Unfictionrose
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 Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:02 am Post subject: BA's dreams and the malware/Dante's transformation theory |
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The 42 plus page thread on the craigslist posts makes topics get lost. (at least for me).
I am taking the odd step of reposting my crazy theory--mostly because I think I've got at least part of it right--in the hopes that maybe someone will discuss it with me.
I'm following it with Dante's finger as a transformative object theory because I am positive that is correct.
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i hesitate to post this...but does the drumming from the dreams remind anyone else of the lucky5 program's every 5 minute attempt to find a server?
So when the man asks BA for the answer...he means what is the password? If she has nothing he wants he tells her nothing. If she gives him something "new" the chewing gum wrapper and the dead fish - something specific to her and not any of the objects from the old woman -then he waits for the answer. I don't remember if she ever had it.
And the old woman who is now sleeping - she may be (or, rather, represent) part of the boil process? She sorts through things and sometimes gives an output to BA? And at least once had BA give an output ( the overflowing chalice of blood) to the old man...while usually the objects the old woman gave to the man are rejected by him.
I note that the overflowing cf of blood comes up a few times. I think it relates to occultation - the blood being the data? I noticed this in a post about a woman at a bar, a post about Kevin and a post about BA.
I know: servers aren't part of the collective unconscious. See my sig. But these dreams relate to what is happening on the server, computers, etc. |
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I pull the handle. The symbols spin.
Cherries. Gold bars. Diamonds.
Lucky 5. Lucky 5. Lucky 5.
Again and again.
My bag grows heavy with coins.
I pull out her finger. Everything changes.
The machines. Computers. Hundreds and hundreds of computers.
Screaming.
Spheres of light. The metallic buzz. The taste of blood.
Darkness.
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Like we've seen before, the finger seems to be some kind of transformational object, making things appear or reveal themselves. It seems to me that when she pulls out the finger in the above, the slot machines are revealed to be the "hundreds and hundreds of computers" infected with Lucky5, 'screaming' out their prayers. I don't know what the "spheres of light" or the "metallic buzz" is supposed to be. |
And now I'm going to be very smart and link to the thread I started earlier today before I read Dante's post.....it is the computer (and equipment like computers) that bring her the spheres of light, metallic buzz and taste of blood."
I know that my theory of her being somehow "in the server" wasn't taken seriously - but, I would love to have some serious discussion of these points.
Namely:
1.BA's dreams show her to be in the server or connected to what is happening on the server. The figures in her dreams -at least some of them- and what they do mimic the functioning of the malware.
2. BA can't be on the computer or around computers much without feeling desperately ill - metallic buzz, light, taste of blood. I think this shows her being in the server somehow.
3. The finger is a transformational object - showing the world as it really is...not just as it is in BA's dreams.
It may be important to reinvestigate the finger (not in the dream) but see why it would have this property?
4. I didn't link to it here, but the role of the cats seems to be related to the computers too. I can go back through the Craigslist post later (or someone else can) and see what the pattern of behavior the cats have.
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Mar_Vell
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:47 am Post subject: Re: BA's dreams and the malware/Dante's transformation theor |
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I'm not sure if the drummer and Lucky5 have a connection, but I am sure of one thing. The drummer is very important, and in the latest batch of CLs, he makes the most important and chilling remark, I mean look at this...
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I hold at my hand. He looks at the bullet and smiles. He knows that I have taken it from both worlds. He knows that it can take me away from both.
He knows that I am here.
He smiles. As I go to drop the bullet in his hat, he stops me. His explanation is, for once, clear. There power in choice and I must always have the option. Some day, I will need it. |
So if we believe the drummer and his prediction, BA will either someday have to kill herself or someone else. Neither of these is very comforting...
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| 1.BA's dreams show her to be in the server or connected to what is happening on the server. The figures in her dreams -at least some of them- and what they do mimic the functioning of the malware. |
A very good point, I think. It is obvious that there is more to her dreams than just allegory. Lucky5 presents itself in her dream and practically screams its malicious intent. It would be foolish I think to discount her connection to the server. Of course we delve further and further down into the mystical with each step in this direction...
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| 2. BA can't be on the computer or around computers much without feeling desperately ill - metallic buzz, light, taste of blood. I think this shows her being in the server somehow. |
Maybe an overly long exposure to the computer (such as in her dreams if we were to assume number 1 as being correct) could cause some of the symptoms she describes.
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| 3. The finger is a transformational object - showing the world as it really is...not just as it is in BA's dreams. |
The finger, I think, is one of a few objects that presents itself in both the real world and the dream world (like the bullet). We know that the finger is a key somehow. I think this, overall other speculation, is the most important tool we have to solving this whole thing. BA definately knows it.
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| It may be important to reinvestigate the finger (not in the dream) but see why it would have this property? |
I agree, who is that has the finger? We should try to run some tests on it. Maybe it has some kind of a magnetic property?
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| 4. I didn't link to it here, but the role of the cats seems to be related to the computers too. I can go back through the Craigslist post later (or someone else can) and see what the pattern of behavior the cats have. |
I think that the cats are another program - maybe similar to white blood cells in a human body. The cats always seem to protect BA, right? So maybe our solution to the whole Lucky5 thing is to figure how to get our hands on some "cats".
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Unfictionrose
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| I agree, who is that has the finger? We should try to run some tests on it. Maybe it has some kind of a magnetic property? |
Sinyx has the finger.
I used Sid's great sorter and came up with these posts where BA uses the angel's finger... after we dreamed it back into her Craigslist posts, and she fixed the angel, then the dove lands on the finger, it falls off, she picks it up.
from torino June 1st
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I stop at the library steps to catch my breath and throw the old woman's stone into my bag. I hear it smash against something. Did it break?
I dig into the bag, pull out the angel's finger, and examine it.
Suddenly, she was sitting next to me. The teenaged girl with her nose in a book. So familiar. So lonely. Dropping the finger into my bag, I reach out to talk to her. To see what's she's reading.
She's gone.
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Harrisonburg June 6th
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I take her finger in my hand. It once pointed to the heavens.
Have I stolen her hope?
I look to the sky. Her arm reaches to the sky.
Her finger is touching the moon.
The air changes and I drop her finger back into my bag. |
Raleigh June 6th
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Looking around, I was surprised to see you.
Dancing. Making a fool out of yourself. Playing with the dog.
Why did you lie to me? Why didn't you tell me how you spend your nights? What do you know? Is this why you found me?
As I sat at the bar, pondering what to say to you. What to ask. I roll the finger in my hands.
When I look back, you've stopped dancing.
A sense of fear washes over me as I see you in the shadows. Talking to someone. Unspeakable things. Indescribable horrors.
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Harrisonburg 6/18
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He's not there. So, I sit down at the bar and order a coffee. Rummaging through my bag, looking for some money to give the bartender, I see the finger and pull it out.
Hope. I should go and see her.
The more I drink, the more I reflect.
The destination is in the journey.
I roll the finger in my hands. Suddenly there's a noise in the back room.
The visitor from two weeks ago is standing there. Arguing. With someone. With the shadows. With himself.
Covered in blood.
I start to rush towards him, when I hear the buzz.
Yaji Ash-Shuthath
Not now! I throw the finger into my bag and head over towards him. He's gone. I look around, but he's nowhere. |
Lima 6/18
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As I approach, I take the finger out of my bag. I hold it up in the air, trying to make the perspective just right. Trying to help her reach it. Trying to help her swing off of it.
Looking again, I see the moon is full. Covering us in its soft light, bathing me in her shadow. Her hand, complete, touching the moon. A tear runs down her face.
I rest the finger on the ground. The darkness returns.
I pick it up. The world changes. She changes.
I hear you moving through the bushes behind her. Watching. Stalking.
Do you see it, too?
It didn't do this before. Why not? What changed? What does this mean?
Do you know?
One by one I take everything out of my bag.
The purple ribbon. Nothing.
The amethyst. Nothing.
The bullet.
Off in the distance, I hear the chanting. I hear the cries. The torment.
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Lima July 10
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I stop at the library and walk up the steps. A better view.
The cats stop. Some disappear into the shadows. A few step closer. Most watch and wait.
I sit.
Her finger. Compelled to hold it.
I do.
The girl comes over and sits beside me. Looking for company. For a friend.
Curious, she asks questions and listens to their answers.
Slowly, it all comes out. The tears flow down my cheeks.
Sweetly, she takes what I told her and tells it back. She removes the blame. She provides the answers.
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Hannover 8/12
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I pull out her finger. Everything changes.
The machines. Computers. Hundreds and hundreds of computers.
Screaming.
Spheres of light. The metallic buzz. The taste of blood.
Darkness.
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"Spheres of light" - monitors
"Metallic Buzz" - cooling fans
"Taste of blood" - ozone, that which is smelled/tasted after a lightning strike.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: BA's dreams and the malware/Dante's transformation theor |
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I know that my theory of her being somehow "in the server" wasn't taken seriously - but, I would love to have some serious discussion of these points.
Namely:
1.BA's dreams show her to be in the server or connected to what is happening on the server. The figures in her dreams -at least some of them- and what they do mimic the functioning of the malware.
2. BA can't be on the computer or around computers much without feeling desperately ill - metallic buzz, light, taste of blood. I think this shows her being in the server somehow. |
I think we have to be very careful with our terminology here. It seems possible for [close your eyes, Art] B.A. to be connected with the server without necessarily being in the server. It's true that we've seen several ways in which B.A.'s dreamworld seems to reflect the virtual world:
1) The building she wakes up in: The door to room 1217 on the 12th floor of her building ended up giving us the password to Port 5217 [yea I don't know why they're different either]. At various points she has also mentioned hearing "screams," which could be related to the screamer.c process. But to play this game, then we have to start asking questions, like "what does the elevator represent?" "What's the lobby?" "Why isn't there boiling water everywhere?" So, now the building has been quiet and much emptier -- is that because Lucky5 has moved on to greener pastures?
2) She finds a different building that contained a directory to Kevin's IP address at Port 222. Sooo, this might suggest that different buildings in the dreamworld = different computers/servers? But this can't be true of everything, right? The aslyum isn't a computer. The no-name bar isn't a computer, surely?
3) The headaches and such could be related to Lucky5 and its side effects (again, assuming they're true). I don't understand what this has to do with being 'in the server.'
4) The finger may be a transformational object, but again, I don't see what that has to do with being in the server or not. It could just be a metaphorical device for revealing 'the truth' or something.
5) There has to be some significance to the fact that both the finger and the bullet apparently can exist both in this world and in the dreamworld. They represent a tangible connection between the two worlds, one that doesn't seem to have anything to do with Lucky5. DC seems to be involved with both of them -- he gave us the finger and he gave BA the bullet. What does he want?
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Unfictionrose
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But this can't be true of everything, right? The aslyum isn't a computer. The no-name bar isn't a computer, surely?
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No, I don't think every building is a computer or a server. There is also the coffee shop, the library and the fountain.
I think they all have meaning though.
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3) The headaches and such could be related to Lucky5 and its side effects (again, assuming they're true). I don't understand what this has to do with being 'in the server.'
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She definitely has an aversion to electronics in the real world and the dream world.
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There has to be some significance to the fact that both the finger and the bullet apparently can exist both in this world and in the dreamworld.
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At the minimum they sustain the idea that somehow BA can dream things in and out of the dream world.
Of course, we only have BA's word about the bullet. The finger could easily have been a "set-up" to get us to believe that the bullet is real as well. It wouldn't be too hard to give a package to a friend for delivery and then add it into the dreams. Because it only happened once, though, i don't know how much weight to give that incident. The finger is important...somehow....
I note that not just objects, but also people exist in both the dream world and the real world. Kevin and Bryce were both indirectly mentioned in Craigslist posts the week before something happened to them. They have both since reappeared in the dreamworld. Do we think that DC is the connection between them and BA (in a similar manner as the finger and the bullet?)
This makes me nervous about Marie. Maybe Marie shouldn't be running lucky5 on her computer.
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Unfictionrose
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| I think that the cats are another program - maybe similar to white blood cells in a human body. The cats always seem to protect BA, right? So maybe our solution to the whole Lucky5 thing is to figure how to get our hands on some "cats". |
It took me awhile but I found a post I remembered reading about the cats:
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So now my question is this: For what are the cats a metaphor? Could they represent CAT-5 cabling? Will Cthulu rise from the tangled mass of internet wiring? Could they represent data packets of some sort? Tracerout? Could they represent something less ethereal? Maybe the lost souls of those long since passed....or something?
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Well... For what it's worth, cat is a common UNIX command (as was finger, long ago). It's also what the BOIL processes was, essentially, doing... I mentioned at one point, I think, that the random looking binary data appeared as if someone had done a 'cat /dev/kcore' or something |
From: http://www.sentryoutpost.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=3202#3202
My extensive UNIX research tells me:
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This is one of the most flexible Unix commands. We can use to create, view and concatenate files |
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Wow! This is a lot of work - my brain is tired after reading it all 
I had always pictured the cats as characters, myself. Whomever Harrissonburg is started out in her early posts as sounding a lot like a cat
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You: Muttering. Murmuring. Growling.
Me: Kicking you away
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You walk around the statue to greet me, rubbing against her as you go.
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| The mist tumbles through the fence and into the road. Approaching the gate, I hear the familiar hiss |
I just always pictured the hissing, chanting, lurking, stalking, thing as a cat, and then assumed the other cats in the dreams were other... people? I guess? I don't know why they're cats and Kevin and Bryce didn't show up as cats  I don't really have an answer for that, or how Harrisonburg can can doodle on walls, because last I checked, cats lack opposable thumbs. But there was something else in one of the more recent posts:
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In the midst of the argument, I can feel it. The familiar purr. The sound we make. |
WE make? Who's we?
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Certainly, the idea of cat being a UNIX command is a lead I think. But I think it's something more.
And whats even scarier about Bryce and Kevin having a connection to BA a week before what happened to them, is that for some reason (from my analysis of the dreams) I can't shake the fact that D.C. is someone close to the sentries. That may be just my paranoia...I hope it is.
And I too, am worried about Marie. We need to make sure she knows that she's possibly in danger.
Also, I think we should start entertaining the fact that B.A. might not be so friendly after all. Maybe we're all setting ourselves up for something by submitting her dreams....All I can say is that I would caution everyone away from submitting actual dreams. She said that the truth is not something that most people want to hear...maybe we shouldn't dabble in truth...
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In the midst of the argument, I can feel it. The familiar purr. The sound we make. |
WE make? Who's we? |
Oh Bloody 'ell!
BA is a furry?!
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Oh dear god. I'm not sure that was what I had pictured before, but now it will be ALL THAT I SEE, tyvm 
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| Certainly, the idea of cat being a UNIX command is a lead I think. But I think it's something more |
I found another simularity that hadn't occured to me before. "Action at a distance" is a concept in computer programming as well, a more mundane definition that is about why programs produce unexplicible errors:
Rose, there's one thing I've found that made me think of you and the way you keep finding connections between the digital and the surreal. "Action at a distance" has a meaning in computer science, I hadn't even really heard it ever applied to quantum mechanics.
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Action at a distance is an anti-pattern (a recognized common error) in which behavior in one part of a program varies wildly based on difficult or impossible to identify operations in another part of the program. The way to avoid the problems associated with action at a distance are a proper design which avoids global variables and alters data in a controlled and local manner.
The term is based on the physics concept of the same name, where particles may be created that cancel each other out. Such particles instantaneously communicate information across space regardless of distance in what Albert Einstein called "spooky action at a distance".
Bugs due to "action at a distance" may arise because a program component is doing something at the wrong time, or affecting something it should not. It is very difficult, however, to track down which component is responsible. Side effects from innocent actions can put the program in an unknown state, so local data is not necessarily local. The solution in this particular scenario is to define which components should be interacting with which others. A proper design that accurately defines the interface between parts of a program, and that avoid shared states, can largely eliminate problems caused by action at a distance. |
Or am I just going off the deep end here, looking for shapes in clouds?
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Programming stuff |
Or am I just going off the deep end here, looking for shapes in clouds? |
Well, we certainly have dynamically modified data with the Lucky5. It would take only a tiny error in the data source to send the program off into parts unknown.
ETA: Not to mention the screaming boiler. We saw first hand that it was modifying core data on the fly.
ETA2: What that article sounds like is Chaos/Butterfly effect in the coding world. |
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I found another simularity that hadn't occured to me before. "Action at a distance" is a concept in computer programming as well, a more mundane definition that is about why programs produce unexplicible errors:
Rose, there's one thing I've found that made me think of you and the way you keep finding connections between the digital and the surreal. "Action at a distance" has a meaning in computer science, I hadn't even really heard it ever applied to quantum mechanics.
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 It should have made you think of me. Way back on June 14th....
http://www.sentryoutpost.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2296#2296
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Don't worry. Tips often out-researches the best of us.
She's gifted like that, and we both love and hate her for it. Mostly love though.
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