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Konamouse

Joined: 20 Apr 2007 Posts: 142 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:45 am Post subject: The Mystery of the Craigslists Postings |
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Lets start a thread to discuss the mysterious Craigslists postings from BSeeingU - the entity that led so many to this place.
Who? What? Why? As someone suggested in another thread, is there a story in her missives? Why do they continue to show up? What is she trying to tell us? _________________ 'squeek' |
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Unfictionrose

Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 357
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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I have an initial draft of a story of a dream - but I don't think it is correct as is. I want to post it here to give people something to work from.
[Harrisonburg]
It's hard not to appreciate the beauty here. The grounds ache for someone to care, but that hardly matters. Nature paints her own canvas and man just cannot compete. As I wind my way through, on paths marked only by the absence of gravestones, I can see her trying to grab the moon. I watch as the moon dances just out of her reach.
'ennahom yadunana abra Azif wa nahknu nastajeeb
I hear it from a distance knowing that, by the time I arrive, you'll be there. A shortcut through the graves, perhaps, showing no appreciation for the scenery that surrounds you. You walk around the statue to greet me, rubbing against her as you go. I watch as you walk towards me, stepping on her finger that lies broken on the ground. When I heard the scream, I couldn't help but wonder if it was her.
[Atlanta]
We make our way through the hostile forest, neither of us knowing what
creatures lurk in the shadows. The wind howls its psychic warnings through the trees. The curiosity of what awaits on the other side drives us forward.
The trees begin to give way to a meadow. We dance through the red clover, the catnip, the dogbane. You run ahead, jumping in the air, chasing the butterflies. I hear the splash when you hit the water. A lake. It's then that I notice the silence and the fresh air.
Standing at the edge, I look down and marvel at the reflection looking back it me. I don't recognize the face, though I know it's my own. It spooks me to think that this is how I look in this bizarre supernatural world. You splash me, twisting the reflection into ghostly shapes.
The cool water feels good against my skin. I take off my shoes and wade in the water. Digging my toes into the muddy ground and skimming slime-coated pebbles across the water. Ripples spread and merge. Circles upon circles. Temporary sculptures on the still surface.
And then the realization hits. There is no hint of danger. No fear. No
madness. It's ordinary. It's too ordinary. You want to stay. I can't stop you, but it's time to move on. It's time to explore.
I make my way towards the hills on the other side of the lake. There's a small cave hidden behind the rocks. Lonely, I call for you to follow - a gesture done in vain. You're too busy chasing your own tail, running in circles... enjoying the peace. I enter the cave. I hear the scream.
[Fargo]
Running from whatever is outside, I descend deeper into the cave. It's only when I stop to catch my breath that I realize there is no longer any light.
Darkness that I've never seen before. I spin around hoping to see something...
anything. Nothing.
And then the screaming started.
[Bangalore]
I must not have been running in the dark for long. I would have noticed. I
would have run into something. Think. That last turn, was it left or was it
right? Feel for the walls. Listen for the cries. They must be coming from the lake. I can follow them. I can get out. To face what? I'm safe here. Lost forever, but safe.
Just find some light. Hide in the shadows. Wait.
Listen for the screams. Follow them.
The echoes are confusing, but I can do this. I drag my hand along the wall, turning as it does. Stopping and listening for the screams. They're louder. This is right. They're quieter. This is wrong.
An hour passes, maybe two. I see a shadow. I see light.
I see you.
[Philadelphia]
Sitting there in the corner of that cave, it hit me. We aren't all that different, you and me. Our lives, here in this place, are the same. We walk
the same streets, see the same people, run from the same things. We've both been through the same hell. I knew it the moment I looked in your eyes.
It's amazing what people will share in those quiet times. The secrets they
tell. Talking it out helps. It puts the burden on someone else and lets you
move on.
I'm glad we walked out of that cave together. I'm glad that I'm not alone.
[Osaka]
The city rises up in the distance. People pouring out of it.
We fight our way through the street, going against the crowd. Everyone
avoiding the corpses littering the way. Islands in the road covered with bird picking at the bones.
You look at me. Your eyes give you away. You're too weak to fight, too exhausted to go on. The only thing pushing you forward is knowing that, if you stop, we'll be stepping around you as the vultures circle around. The only question is if they'll wait until you're dead before fighting over your flesh.
I catch you as you collapse. I grab you by the waist and throw you over my shoulder. The birds circle my head. I run.
[Amsterdam]
Bloody footprints chase after me as I rush through the crowd gathered in the street. I try to make myself invisible. I rip at my clothes. I mess up my hair. I can look like them. I can fade away.
I disappeared through the crowd and worked my way to the other side of town. Nobody noticed me, nobody stopped me. Faceless strangers walked by as if I did not exist. After a while, I stopped hearing the screams that I knew were there.
[maine]
Your old house at the edge of the woods called to me. It always has. The
gothic architecture has stood for generations. The iron gate didn't make a
sound as I swung it open. I was wandering towards the back when I heard the first growl. Then another. Then another.
I was surrounded.
I heard the scraping of metal against metal. Someone shouted my name. I ran towards them. The hole was just big enough for me to crawl through.
She dropped the shovel and we ran.
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[Orlando]
Night after night, I find myself here in this city of madness. The faces are
familiar to me now - the man standing on the corner, the dog growling behind the fence, the old woman sorting through her belongings.
I wander over to the bench where she's sitting. She smiles and invites me to sit. I watch as she carefully picks up her precious heirlooms - an old note, a well-worn book, a faded photograph.
A photograph of me.
For the first time all day, I'm awake.
[new orleans]
I turn on the coffee maker and head to the computer. I want to get it all down and to find the others. The light from the screen swims inside my eyes. I reach for the aspirin and I type. _________________ Servers aren't part of the collective unconscious. ~HPHack
DC had us give B.A. the finger. I don't think you can get much more explicit than that! ~Y2K |
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Hiro Protagonist
Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 17 Location: Stockholm
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Do we know what ennahom yadunana abra Azif wa nahknu nastajeeb means yet?
Azif may be a reference to al-Azif, teh Arabic name for the evil tome of Necronomicon, which was written by the "mad Arab" Abdul Alhazred in the Cthulhu Mythos. Anybody here who is fluent in Arabic? _________________ When I was a kid, my mother told me
never to stare into the sun.
So once when I was six, I did... |
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Unfictionrose

Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 357
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject: walking or running through a dream |
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I also concluded that the story she is telling is more like snapshots of scenes that she sees as she goes through her dream world. Each "you" she describes is a new and individual subject. These are people she has seen in her dreams and wants to contact. She then puts the message in craigslist to try to find them. I'm not sure if the messages from a city are always directed to the same person from the city. Hard to tell and not sure if it matters. _________________ Servers aren't part of the collective unconscious. ~HPHack
DC had us give B.A. the finger. I don't think you can get much more explicit than that! ~Y2K |
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Y2Kveteran
Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 105 Location: Boulder, CO
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, you folks have been busy. Been trying to sift through all of this looking for some clues into this B.A. person. I keep feeling like a second-rate Jungian dream analyst which is hardly my strong suit. How much of these "dreams" do you think tell us something about her versus is "storytelling" for some kind of point?
For example, do we know anything about this "city"? What about this "woman going through the trash"? If there are different "yous" what makes her divide up those messages? Hmm . . . so many question still, not many answers.
Behind all of that lurk the big questions. What does she want us to do? Why does she want us to do that? Do we care what she wants? Does what she want benefit just her or us to?
How do people imagine we should assault this, given that we're all busy people who don't have enough time in the day to obsess over her little "story" too much? There was Howard's thread about theories of what might be going on. Perhaps we should narrow that list down, come up with theories that we can try to connect evidence to?
Art _________________ ----
Art Lydney
Security Consultant
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
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Unfictionrose

Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 357
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Y2K Veteran that is a lot of questions.
I have no idea what she wants us to do. I am enjoying figuring out what she is telling us. I hope that if we get to far out of what she wants, she will give us a bigger hint than any she might have given us already. ( This should probably be in the other thread but Yeah we are going in circles. We are probably making the circled words into a much harder problem then they are meant to be... but I don't have any new, good ideas)
I think we know a little bit about the city, I thought it might be two cities, actually. We know several of the features, the buildings, the coffee shop, the bar, the cemetery...the people: the skateboarders, the firefighters, the crone, the crazy man with the newspapers ...the features: old railroad tracks, the lake, the cave. _________________ Servers aren't part of the collective unconscious. ~HPHack
DC had us give B.A. the finger. I don't think you can get much more explicit than that! ~Y2K |
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Dante

Joined: 20 Apr 2007 Posts: 578 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Y2Kveteran wrote: |
There was Howard's thread about theories of what might be going on. Perhaps we should narrow that list down, come up with theories that we can try to connect evidence to?
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Okay, here is Howard's list, in condensed form:
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Theory: they are as they claim
problem - requires accepting psychic powers or random chance
problem - probability curve breaker for coincidence
problem - they seem to not know what's happening either
confusor - assumptions of general behavior
confusor - some look like exactly the kind of new blood we need, requires believing in providence
confusor - people who act nice aren't necessarily so
Theory: someone is trying to punk us (who? why? how?)
are "new users" all really unique?
small number makes fraud easy, all come in on one day really sloppy
stuff on other sites more difficult to pull off but not crazily so
automated? pseduo intelligence? forumsocialhackbotnet?
could I write a script that would Eliza posts like theirs? maybe
why? so they can say they punked small security community?
Theory: someone is trying to punk them using us (who? why? how?)
online psychic with "new project"
maybe betting sheet scam cum confidence game?
what role do we play? would our basic nature reinforce a scam?
hidden payload is hiding beneath the surface of reality? something truly vile?
THEORY!! someone else will be scammed by the combination (who? why? how?)
understatment and misdirection
saying what? my scam can survive your scrutiny?
psychic plus blackhat collaborator?
what is the misdirection hiding?
Theory: one of us is trying to punk the rest of us (who? why? how?)
Theory: one of us is trying to punk the rest of the world (who? why? how?)
Paranoid Theory: they are all lying
did one of us poke into something we shouldn't have and attracted "attention"?
could each of them be pulling their own scam but coordinating on a cover story?
double-paranoid theory: each of them are pulling their own scam under the direction of central string puller (UCAM-CL-TR-666?)
Confidence game theory - look for misdirection
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Let's assume for now that a) the 'new people' aren't lying and that the 'old people' aren't lying either. Therefore, we are either both being 'punked' by some outside person(s), or are both receiving these messages for some external (possibly, but not necessarily, benign) reasons. I don't think there is any internal 'punking', in other words. [Oh Ashton, what have you brought the English language?]
We might therefore also assume that the messages are not random either in their a) content or b) choice of recipients. However, the packages and craigslist postings seem to contain multiple parts, and so there are probably one-to-many mappings between messages and recipients.
In the initial Craigslist messages, B.A. instructed "to find the others." So have we found each other? Or are there others out there?
But in her more recent messages, B.A. has stopped instructing us to do anything. Now she seems intent on recounting some set of (possibly connected) dream narratives. Why?
There is a strong Lovecraftian motif here. Why? What's the connection?
How has B.A. gotten her information? Is it all truly from dreams and visions?
Where has she gone? Why doesn't there seem to be any way to get in direct contact with her?
I know I've just reiterated some of Y2K's questions, but just trying to sort my thoughts here. To me, it seems like the best way to proceed for now is to take it all at face value and see how it plays out, but still be alert to the possibility that there might indeed be a scam behind this. If B.A. turns out to be Miss Cleo and asks for a CC#, then we can consider alternative strategies... She doesn't have an infomercial up on YouTube yet, though. |
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Jjason

Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 424 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Question you missed: Who is B.A. St. Feline? Currently all we know about her is what's on her website, which is basically nothing. And I'm not prepared to accept even that as true.
Totally Unrelated Note: I like the post titles. Reminders me of the Hardy Boys. Sentry Outpost and the Mystery of the Craigslist Postings! |
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Occultus
Joined: 28 Apr 2007 Posts: 56 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 2:15 am Post subject: |
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| Y2Kveteran wrote: |
| For example, do we know anything about this "city"? What about this "woman going through the trash"? If there are different "yous" what makes her divide up those messages? Hmm . . . so many question still, not many answers. |
I had a thought about this.
The woman going through the trash - she is probably the same person as in this Craigslist post:
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Night after night, I find myself here in this city of madness. The faces are familiar to me now - the man standing on the corner, the dog growling behind the fence, the old woman sorting through her belongings.
I wander over to the bench where she's sitting. She smiles and invites me to sit. I watch as she carefully picks up her precious heirlooms - an old note, a well-worn book, a faded photograph.
A photograph of me. |
So what if the packages are the contents of the old woman's trash/belongings?
That would mean there is a photo of 'me' in there somewhere.
.. but 'me' and 'you' seem to vary in the different Craigslist items (especially as some of them are wfw and some are wfm).
So ... how about one of the photos in each package corresponds directly to either the 'me' or 'you' in the associated Craigslist item (i.e. the one sent to the same city as the person who received the package)?
Maybe it's just the Orlando package (where that Craigslist entry is from)? ... but that old woman also appears in an Indianapolis item too, which is why I think it might be a more generic link between the packages and the Craigslist posts.
I'll take a look later and see if I can spot anything that might tie the photos to the people in the associated Craigslist entry. It's worth a shot. |
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Unfictionrose

Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 357
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 6:24 am Post subject: |
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I don't think the "me" changes. I think the narrator is consistent.
Does anyone think she could be describing a real city? The most specific thing we have is the mention of the angel with the broken finger in the cemetery.
The woman in the garbage could be the same woman with the possessions and also the one who gives her an apple unexpectedly. That woman, after giving her an apple, walks with her to the edge of town but doesn't go with her on her journey.
What do i think is going on here? Is that the question?
I think this woman is having dreams and in her dreams she recognizes certain people. She then contacts, or tries to contact them through Craigslist. Maybe she knows you guys here at Sentry Outpost from something before? Any earlier run-ins with her that you can remember?
Did you guys reply to the dreams that were directed to you? Other than the one where HPHack sent in someone else's dream? _________________ Servers aren't part of the collective unconscious. ~HPHack
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Occultus
Joined: 28 Apr 2007 Posts: 56 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:06 am Post subject: |
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After looking again at the info on her website, I'm wondering if the city is New York.
She says she's been in "The City" for 10 years as a struggling actress and mentions Broadway - which implies NY.
She also says that she currently lives in Cassadaga - which gives a choice of two locations. Cassadaga, Florida (described as the "Psychic Center of the World") or Cassadaga, NY, where:
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| The famous Spiritualist community of Lily Dale borders Cassadaga, and both communities are on the shores of the Cassadaga Lakes. Lily Dale residents, most (but not all) of whom are believers or practitioners of the religion of Spiritualism, an outgrowth of the Free Thinkers movement of the late mid 1800s, is within the adjacent Town of Pomfret. |
The phone number on the website had a Florida area code, but ...
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I am B.A. Saint Feline. I don't come from generations of seer don't feel the cosmic forces. If you're looking for any of the above, do a quick google for "psychic readings" and you will find thousands. If you're looking for someone that will tell you the truth and not pander to some idea of what they think a psychic is or should be, then you've come to the right place. |
To me that sounds like it fits in more with the Lily Dale community, than the stereotypical Florida psychics.
Also Cassadaga NY is a small village (300 households) in the foothills of the Appalachian mountains and is on the shore of a lake - with the area being full of natural springs and caves - which fits in better with the dreams, which don't sound like they are describing Florida.
So I think that's where she's moved to after leaving NY, and that would imply that NY might be the city in the dreams.
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I just noticed Unfictionrose's mention of old railroad tracks - here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry for Cassadaga NY:
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| The Dunkirk, Allegheny Valley and Pittsburgh Railroad, which laid track from Dunkirk, New York and eventually to Warren, Pennsylvania to connect with the former Warren and Venango Railroad (merged with the DAV&P) tracks running to Titusville, ran just west of the Cassadaga Lakes in the spring of 1871. The tracks ran through the then-adjoining hamlet of Burnhams (which was subsequently annexed by the village) and contributed greatly to the economy of the area, both as a source of population growth and visitors to the lakes and rolling hills for recreation, but also primarily as transportation of the forest and farm products of the area, as well as ice cut from the lakes in winter for refrigeration. The Webster Citizens Company ice house stood on the west shore of the Upper Lake with a three car rail siding to serve it, and was listed as a railroad business as late as 1931. The Cassadaga Water Company had a siding on the Middle lake and bottled water from a leased spring on the north side of the Glenn Halladay farm for shipment by rail to city customers, primarily Buffalo, New York, though it had ceased operations by the late 1920s as municipal water quality improved. |
Which sort of fits in with:
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| The tracks are long deserted. The last train to run down them was over thirty years ago. And while the trains no longer run, it's a clear path out of the city, one of the many that lead to the hills in the distance. This is no shortcut, but it's a peaceful journey as the sounds of the city fade behind us. Off in the distance we see a car driving down the old country roads. |
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Tipsila

Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 144
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 10:00 am Post subject: |
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After looking again at the info on her website, I'm wondering if the city is New York.
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I tend to agree that we should be looking in New York State.
Yesterday, I sent a private message to a friend on this forum. I said I was thinking that maybe we need to find where B.A.'s dream takes place - if that's possible. I also wrote:
Cassadaga, FL is named after Cassadaga, NY. Cassadaga means 'water beneath the rocks' - a Seneca word. The Seneca call themselves Onondowahgah, meaning "People of the Great Hill." Lake Cassadaga is there - and a lake and mountains mentioned in the dream. No mountains in Florida. Lake Cassadaga has a variety of fish - Bass, Crappie - and other panfish, and like I said (and later Y2Kvet), crickets make good fishing bait. So, maybe we should be looking at western New York?
Additionally, Cassadaga (FL) got its start when the Southern Cassadaga Spiritualist Camp Meeting Association was founded by George P. Colby, a medium from Pike, New York, who attended summer "Camp meetings" at Lily Dale, New York (adjacent to Cassadaga, New York), and subsequently moved to Florida. The Southern Cassadaga Association received its charter on December 18, 1894. |
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Mkaos

Joined: 08 Jan 2007 Posts: 256 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| Unfictionrose wrote: |
I think this woman is having dreams and in her dreams she recognizes certain people. She then contacts, or tries to contact them through Craigslist. Maybe she knows you guys here at Sentry Outpost from something before? Any earlier run-ins with her that you can remember?
Did you guys reply to the dreams that were directed to you? Other than the one where HPHack sent in someone else's dream? |
I've never had a run in with her before. I'm certain that I'd remember a crazy psychic that dreams of people.
I didn't even think to call her about the dream that is, apparently, for me (sent to San Francisco about counting souls). I don't remember having a dream where I was standing at a mounting counting souls. That's kind of creepy. I wonder if Kevin & Howard are on to something though. Maybe we should be telling her our dreams.
Has anyone aside from Kevin done that? _________________ One man gathers what another man spills. |
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Occultus
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 10:38 am Post subject: |
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Another thing I noticed - which is probably just a coincidence is that the closest city to Cassadaga NY is Jamestown (about 10 miles?).
When I was looking at the pictures from the packages over the weekend I did some digging on the Samuel Purchas manuscripts. One of those was the posthumous publication of notes by Richard Hakluyt about his exploration of America.
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| Hakluyt was also a leading adventurer of the Charter of the Virginia Company of London as a director thereof in 1589.[9] In 1605 he secured the prospective living of James Town, the intended capital of the intended colony of Virginia. When the colony was at last established in 1607, he supplied this benefice with its chaplain, Robert Hunt. In 1606 he appears as the chief promoter of the petition to James I for letters patent to colonize Virginia, which were granted on 10 April 1606.[5] |
He's credited with founding Jamestown VA - I know it's not the same one, but the name jumped out at me.
... and going back to the abandoned railtracks again, the county that Jamestown and Cassadaga are in:
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CHAUTAUQUA COUNTY is blessed with beautiful unused rail corridors winding through picturesque countryside and villages.
Chautauqua Rails-to-Trails is preserving these abandoned rail corridors for conversion into safe off-road trails for recreational use: walking, running, hiking, bicycling, cross country skiing, bird watching (over 170 species identified) and horseback riding. |
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Carmenmiranda
Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 31 Location: Witham, United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 10:47 am Post subject: |
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Has anyone aside from Kevin done that? |
I have now.
Later tonight, I'm going to upload my latest attempt to put the craigslist posts in order.
It's like I'm obsessed or something. _________________ Microsoft will make something that doesn't suck when they start manufacturing vacuum cleaners. |
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