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Mkaos
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 Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject: Arthur Lydney: Security Consultant |
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I'm sure we all remember Art. I'm sure a few of us have wondered about him and worried about him. I know that we have, I've talked with several people about just that. His messages go unopened, his email isn't replied to. With everything that's been going on, it's easy to worry. Well, I just wanted to let you all know that you don't have to worry. He seems to be doing just fine. In fact, it seems that he's still coming to the forums.
How do I know this? Well, Art, as you should know, I can see who comes to the site. Somebody suggested that I keep an eye out for your IP address and so I have been. I thought it was a silly idea. Surely, if Art had been around he would have reached out to me after Bryce's incident. He wouldn't let Kevin get the last word in on anything, so he'd have left a note of condolence on the forums after he died. Besides, I'd tell people, I think that they had an odd but strong respect for one another. Art's not a selfish uncaring bastard, he'd say something, he'd be there.
Well, the joke is on me. They were right, you are here. You're watching us and knowing what's going on. You just don't care to say anything. I would have sent this to you privately, but what good would that do? It would be just another message left unread. And, whether you like it or want to admit it, there are people here that care about you and have worried - this lets them know that you are ok and that they can stop worrying. Whether they stop caring is up to them.
Art, of all people, I would never have imagined you abandoning us. I just don't understand. Howard? Yeah, I didn't think he would do it either, but he gets funny about things. Like coming on last night after weeks away and just posting some crap about viruses turning 25. As someone said to me last night: WTF?!
I don't know what's going on here. You guys know me. We've been friends for how long - 6? 7? years? Not a word after Bryce. Not a word after Kevin. Not a word after I appear in those damn craigslist posts. Nothing. Oh, it's just Marie. She can handle it, she handles everything. Well I can't handle it! Not when the people that I've counted on for so long just leave me and then I discover that they never did. They're here, they're just not saying anything. I don't need my hand held and, yes, I do handle things and I'm doing just fine, but is it too much to ask for a modicum of support?
Maybe calling you out here will get that. If not, I tried.
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Dante
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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I had suspicions that this might be the case.
Marie, I know that you probably think that I am too prickly and cold-hearted for my own good, but I am genuinely sorry because you seem really shaken by this, which I can understand.
However, my practical nature takes over, and so I have to put this out there: How well do any of you know Art?? *IF* we take what B.A.'s been posting at face value (and as loco most of it is, she's turned out to be right about some pretty key things), then we might need to reconsider what she's posted about Boulder:
http://icymidnight.com/bseeingu/craigslist/archive/315875792.html
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Over by the citadel
You: Thinking you're safe
Me: Knowing you're not
Do you sleep easier here even knowing what you know? Seeing what you see? This is beyond imagination. This is real. There is no safe place. You know it as well as I do and, yet, here you stand. Does it make it easier? |
http://icymidnight.com/bseeingu/craigslist/archive/327587298.html
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The dark street
You: Watching them
Me: Watching you
Soaking wet, I begin the long journey to the angel. The streets are dark and nearly empty. Fear has driven people into their homes. Each window becomes a screen into the lives lived in candlelit rooms. It's here that you can see the differences in people. Are they huddled in the corner or are they devising a plan, talking to those they know, testing their theories, and changing their destiny?
One window shows a table filled with cats. Another shows people buried under an avalanche of paper. Four? Five? Six? More? It's hard to tell. Are they struggling to get out from under it or are they hoping to hide there forever, buried under plans that lead nowhere.
You're standing at the window watching. Knowing what they're doing. An easy target. Waiting for you to strike. |
http://icymidnight.com/bseeingu/craigslist/archive/371036782.html
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Tracked
You: Watching him
Me: Watching you
I walk up the street towards the cemetery.
Avoiding shadows. Avoiding darkness. Avoiding madness.
Providence jumps out in front of me. Howling. Anxious.
Waiting.
Danger lurks. You lurk.
Hiding. Watching. Aware.
Tracked. |
This does not paint a positive picture of whatever's going on in Boulder. Art, if you're reading this and feel the need to jump in to say that I'm waaaay off base, feel free. |
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Twee
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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First of all, I know I'm very new to this forum and to all of you. You don't know me at all Mkaos, so feel free to tell me to back off if you want to.
Your post just got to me. If there is anything I know about, it is the pain that comes with friends dissapointing you, leaving you or the realization that maybe you don't know them as well as you thought.. I am so sorry to read this, you being upset, and if there is anything I can do to help you in any way, just let me know. (even if it is telling me to go stuff myself.  )
Now, parts of B.As' posts are eerily similar to what is going on - we all know that. These are no exception. I don't want to offend any of you guys who know Art with this, so I apologize beforehand if I step on anyones toes..
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You: Watching them
Me: Watching you |
Art watching us, as in him lurking around here? B.A watching Art?
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| It's here that you can see the differences in people. Are they huddled in the corner or are they devising a plan, talking to those they know, testing their theories, and changing their destiny? |
Is this referring to this forum as well? Sentries either talking to eachother, discussing all of this or "huddling in a corner" alone..?
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| You're standing at the window watching. Knowing what they're doing. An easy target. Waiting for you to strike. |
Saying that the sentries are the easy target?
The "Tracked" post just send chills down my spine.. But that might be me reading way too much into it. Reading it like I do gives a quite dark picture .. |
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Econjen
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Hmph.
Ass.
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Dante
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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Hmph.
Ass. |
Third in line, even?? |
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Unknown Quantity
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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Marie, just to play devil's advocate here, all we really know is that someone is using Art's IP address. Given that we've heard nothing from him so far, how do we know that Art is really the person at the computer? Has anyone else mentioned that Art's last post is disturbingly close to Bryce's last post? Perhaps something got to him, or he figured out something that frightened him into silence... Or perhaps Art isn't Art anymore. Maybe he never was? ... Disturbing thoughts.
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Illuminant
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| Marie, perhaps it would be a good idea to post Art's IP address here on the forum, or to pass it on to a few trusted Sentries for investigative purposes. At the very least, there's the possibility that there's another copy of the Boil out there... |
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Sinyx
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| Illuminant wrote: |
| Marie, perhaps it would be a good idea to post Art's IP address here on the forum, or to pass it on to a few trusted Sentries for investigative purposes. At the very least, there's the possibility that there's another copy of the Boil out there... |
That's a good idea. And if you feel like you're violating his privacy by doing this, you or someone here you trust can at least check it out. After everything that's happened, we should at least check the possibility that something shifty has happened to Art's computer/server as well. I'm kind of confused that Art hasn't come back on to defend himself. Is he still lurking?
If it turns out that he's been here the whole time ignoring you during this terrible situation, I'm sorry. That's a pretty shitty thing to do. I know how horrible it feels when a friend betrays you. |
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WolfHawk
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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For that matter is there anyone who would notice Art is missing and check out his residence? Family? Friends? I have this eerie thought that he may be slowly mummifying in front of his computer and just hasnt been discovered yet. That's why his IP is still active.
I read a book several years ago that I think was written by Stephen King. I can't remember the title, but in a small town (of course) people were "merging" with their computers. There were tentacle like things physically linking them, The fingers grew into the keyboard the face merged with the monitor etc. Gee, wonder why i'm thinking of that right now?
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HPhack
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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First off, Marie, I'm sorry. I feel like an ass. You could have just as easily looked up my IP and made the same argument. I have a horrible tendency to run away when things start getting too tense. I'd pop in and instantly be back in a scary place, and try to close my eyes and make it go away. How selfish of me.
I don't know Art's motives, they might be totally different than mine. Maybe have some sympathy for him? It was far too easy to imagine you writing this same note to me, and I figured I owed you an apology before you got to that point.
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Mkaos
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Howard, I appreciate the apology. Really I do, even if there wasn't a real need for it. I overreacted, here.
If he wants to lurk, that is his business. I shouldn't have been watching for him and I certainly shouldn't have let my own feelings get in the way of that. To call him out like this was uncalled for and I'm quite embarrassed that I did. Art, if you read this, I'm sorry for that. That does not mean that I'm not angry with you or that you haven't hurt me. I am and you have.
Unlike you, Howard, I don't give a shit what his motives are. Now that I know he's around, it hurts that he won't even take a moment to send me a message or offer support. What motive could justify that? If he wants to stay off the forum (publicly) for whatever reason, that's fine and his business, but he could at least be a friend or tell me off, you know? Plus, the more that I read the Craigslist posts, the more curious I get. He doesn't owe me any sort of explanation, but it would be nice to know his reaction. Don't you agree or do you think that this is it?
Anyway. Enough about him. I'm glad you're back and I'm sorry that I made you feel like an ass  I know how you get sometimes and, when I think about how seeing my frustration at your return must have made you feel, I feel like a bit of an ass myself. Seriously though, what in the hell was that? The birthday of the virus? 
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Lovek
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't know Art's motives, they might be totally different than mine. Maybe have some sympathy for him? It was far too easy to imagine you writing this same note to me, and I figured I owed you an apology before you got to that point. |
I know I haven't known Art long, but he really doesn't seem the type to shy away. He is a self-proclaimed Y2K "veteran" after all (although to me, a veteran implies there was a battle of some kind, and, well, come on... I think we'd mostly agree Y2K was all bark and no bite). So I'm not sure he gets my sympathy, because I don't suspect he's disappeared out of some sort of defensive reflex.
And no matter what, the least he could do is let his friends know he's ok. Especially after Marie started this thread.
I mean seriously, Art, even just a blank post from your account would let us know you were alive out there, and you wouldn't have to say a thing.
Is that too much for your Old Sentry friends?
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Dante
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Mkaos wrote: |
| If he wants to lurk, that is his business. I shouldn't have been watching for him and I certainly shouldn't have let my own feelings get in the way of that. To call him out like this was uncalled for and I'm quite embarrassed that I did. Art, if you read this, I'm sorry for that. That does not mean that I'm not angry with you or that you haven't hurt me. I am and you have. |
Marie, obviously your feelings in the matter are your own. However, I disagree with your statements that you shouldn't have been watching for him and shouldn't have called him out. I think you were absolutely correct on both counts. We are in a position where we have very little to go on and are tits deep in mysteries (to paraphrase Exu), so I think that any means to leverage more information is valid right now. Current indications are that Art may know *something,* and so I think you are within your rights to demand more answers. Does Art's security consultancy have a website or some other way to get in touch with him directly? |
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HPhack
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Marie, I was thinking about how to tell you to stop beating yourself up. I'm used to being dysfunctional. I know that I shut myself up sometimes as a way of keeping myself from getting hurt. But that probably doesn't work as a long time strategy.
I guess it is just easy for me to overlook the faults of others because I hope they'll overlook my glarings ones. 
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess it is just easy for me to overlook the faults of others because I hope they'll overlook my glarings ones. |
Yeah, like, like... oohhhh it's just too fucking easy.
Nevermind.
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