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Sapagoo
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 Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject: Plaintext snippets from Port 1031-take 2(Miskatonic centric) |
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Now that we've picked Art's brain, the next section of snippets looks like Howard's posts.
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| d, who knows? Makes no sense what so ever. Something about heavy particle detection and noise cancelation. Spelunking sounded fun at the time, but now it is the stuff of nightm |
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| nd everyone else, Stacy. It isn't like Miskatonic had a great CS department as it was, but it will be a smaller school than Equestrian Science in a few years at this |
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| ars later. To think that I actually used to enjoy Halloween. Now it just makes me think of faculty massacres. I'm getting out of here, get a fresh start someplace like Bo |
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| ill don't know how I feel about it, dodging a bullet like that. No way I'm going back next semester, though, what with most of thesis committee now on the list of empty positions that no one wants to fi |
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| aid I didn't really want to talk about it, Peter, and that includes private messages. Sorry, go pick someone else's scabs please and give me a chance to get out of |
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| u thinking you'll get some hot Weekly World News scoop from me to round out your CV? You're essentially ruining my one lifeline of support when I have to worry about private messg |
Howard, I believe you've already taken credit for the 1st, 3rd and 6th posts.
The 2nd looks addressed to Stacy. The 5th looks addressed to Peter.
Howard, are all those posts from you? Were they in the public forum, or private messages? If they were in the public forum, were they all related to one post, or one thread, or were they scattered over several threads? and finally, was it 2001, 2003, 2005? what time frame was it?
Any other information you'd like to share would be great. (if need be, we can make a new thread here to talk it all out). On the other hand, if this is too personal, I can remove this section from the wiki after we've pieced together all the snippets.
Everyone else, feel free to chime in. You can at least point out if they were in the general forum. |
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HPhack
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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As if getting played like a fool by "Exu" weren't bad enough today, I click this thread hoping to find the new amusing Arthur Flamewar to Be distraction, and instead find a pile of questions aimed at me.
Some of those quotes are ancient. If I was talking about not going back to Miskatonic, that would put it around summer of 2000, maybe even as early as February, but I really doubt that. More likely summer. I took the spring semester off to try to get my feet back under me after the shock of the massacre, but it wasn't until summer that I started to make the decision I wasn't going back at all. I remember both Marie and Stacy being among the people who really supported my decision, even though I was always doubting that choice. I just couldn't go back. There were too many places and people that triggered difficult memories for me in Arkham, I had to get a fresh start somewhere else (which I finally did in December of 2000).
I'm not sure I completely remember when that stuff with Peter went down, he pressed pretty constantly for details about the massacre from probably late 2002, almost up until he left in 2003. All of it salacious gossip. I finally lost it one day in the public boards, which might be another of those snippets. He had sent me another private message pushing for details to support his newest theory. This time he asked if Adrianna had perhaps just been pretending to be in love with me in order to get in good with department. I have a hard enough time hearing rumors that the spelunking team did the murders and then magically disappeared, I didn't need to hear that my probably dead girlfriend was just pretending to love me.
If you'd asked me this a couple of years ago, I wouldn't have been so forthcoming. Time has a way of turning scabs to scars.
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Unfictionrose
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Man. Sorry that happened to you HPHack. And I feel sorry for all the people in the massacre or whatever it was. No wonder you have nightmares. Thanks for being willing to tell us about it.
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Sapagoo
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I, too, send my regrets.
So let me get this straight.
There was an experiment in one of the caves in Arkham. It was a physics experiment, but they needed the CS department's help.
Students went missing (including Adrianna) and Faculty died. And noone ever found out what really happened?
Were the students all Physics students, CS students, or both?
Were the faculty all CS, or both Physics & CS (I believe you made it clear some CS faculty died)?
Were you down there, and survived?
You said Peter was at Miskatonic after you left. Was he CS? Physics? something else?
Was any of the "field work" that Peter added to SentryOutpost in the same field as the Physics Experiment (ie. heavy particle detection and noise cancelation)?
Were there professional/amateur spelunkers involved, or was this purely a CS/Physics endeavour?
The massacre was on Halloween, right? Was that the night of the experiment, or was this just an exploratory spelunking to set up the equipment? Did anyone think the experiment caused the deaths? |
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Unfictionrose
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So is this where your nightmare comes from?
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The last few nights have been completely unbearable. These DAMN CRICKETS. I am convinced they follow me from room to room. By the time I try to sleep, they are all warmed up, on to their main performance. Last night culminated in the strangest nightmare.
I dream of caves too much. I never see their heavy roof or course walls in the dark. I have never been here. These dreams are never pleasant ones. Usually, I feel a cold knife at my throat, a suffocating claustrophobia that overwhelms me but keeps me from waking, a crowd surging in dark, tight places. This time I am alone except for the blanket of blackness and gentle rustles, but I could still know by the knot in my gut that I would never behold the blessed light of day again. I hear her voice first. She whispers, "Fal mahdee wal hkaderr wal mustakbal yazubuuna kullahom fee hyo zotho". Everything falls deathly silent.
And then she is standing right in front of me in glowing rainment. She looks like no saint I have ever seen. Her eyes look right through me. "She would have killed you too," she says, with a compassion that makes me begin to weep. She smiles, and opens her lips as if to speak again. And a strangled scream is all that emerges from her mouth as her face rends into something unspeakable.
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HPhack
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You have alot of misconceptions there, Sapagoo, but with all the wacky news coverage that's not uncommon. It was such a media circus.
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| There was an experiment in one of the caves in Arkham. It was a physics experiment, but they needed the CS department's help. |
No, the caves were NOT up here, they were down somewhere in remotest Appalachia, not even open to the public. It was all hick rural sherrifs until they brought in the Feds. Then it took the Feds a week before they gave up the rescue. It took another week before they abanonded trying to even find the bodies.
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| Students went missing (including Adrianna) and Faculty died. |
No, Adrianna wasn't a student, she was just my girlfriend, so hung out in some of the graduate student circles with me. She was really good at making friends out of strangers. Spelunking was one of her passions, so I jumped at the chance to get involved, probably for all the wrong reasons.
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| And noone ever found out what really happened? |
The offical conclusion was that they had an accident while deep underground. They found a basecamp way down, but no bodies and no sign of where they went. That was really why the news vultures seized on the story initially: "University Researchers Lost in Cave" is almost as good as "Boy Falls Down Well". Somehow they determined that October 31st was the last probable date they used the basecamp, and presto: "unsolved case" gets branded with cult rumors.
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| Were the students all Physics students, CS students, or both? Were the faculty all CS, or both Physics & CS (I believe you made it clear some CS faculty died)? Were there professional/amateur spelunkers involved, or was this purely a CS/Physics endeavour? |
Five faculty members, actually. Three from CS, two from Physics. Plus 8 other people, some of which were grad students in physics and some of which were spelunking guides like Adrianna. Sadly, two of those CS faculty were on my thesis committee as well. Not that I got far on that thesis.
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| Were you down there, and survived? |
God no! Holy shit! I'd be non-functioning, drinking my dinner from a straw somewhere! It is bad enough as it is. I was going to be on that expedition as one of the grad students, but I hurt my ribs in a touch football barbacue that we all had the week before. Nothing too bad, but Adrianna insisted that I shouldn't trust it with it my full body weight. All that time learning to spelunk just to impress her, only to lose her. That's close enough to the bullet for me as it is. At least I wasn't the unlucky grad student who took the place of the guy that got injured trying to impress his girlfriend and couldn't make it to the accident anymore.
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| You said Peter was at Miskatonic after you left. Was he CS? Physics? something else? |
Mathematics, Adjunct Professor. He was way too highbrow for CS. He was way to highbrowed for everyone.
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| Was any of the "field work" that Peter added to SentryOutpost in the same field as the Physics Experiment (ie. heavy particle detection and noise cancelation)? |
No, he was more into cryptography and the crackability and mathematical vulnerabilities of encryptation. Made the big corporate guns drool for some of his (IMHO) unimplementable garbage.
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| The massacre was on Halloween, right? Was that the night of the experiment, or was this just an exploratory spelunking to set up the equipment? Did anyone think the experiment caused the deaths? |
IMHO, just one investigator's guess. I wish he had picked one day forward or back, it would have spared alot of the rumors that ended up floating around. Most of the equipment they found at the basecamp were tents, sleeping bags, backpack rigs, food supplies. Most of the scientific equipment and much of the climbing gear wasn't there, which gave rise to the rumors that some people left. The authorities insist it more likely they fell down a shaft or vent where their bodies slid out of easy view. Accident. Unrecoverable. Case closed. Didn't stop the rumors.
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| So is this where your nightmare comes from? |
Yeah, at least part of it, I guess. I can't help thinking sometimes about if I had been down there.
I'm going out for a drink now.
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Unfictionrose
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I don't blame you. But maybe going back through your organized list of possibilities would help more?
The more I understand about what happened, the more you seem to be a target of this whole mystery BA led us into. I'm starting to wonder if BA even exists; I like to think she does, but she could be a creation of "chorazos" whoever that is. I'm starting to see her Craigslist story as a misdirection, entertaining though it is.
I don't believe that she dreamed the specific passwords and port numbers needed to access the files and directories found on the server. (I feel silly even writing that.) She had to know herself about that data, or she was told by someone who put that data on the server or found it.
For some reason, she had to go this round about way of letting us know about the server. You would have known something was off with the server as soon as you got the bill - but would you have been able to access those directories? Or figure out the port system that uses an odd phrase like Xe:3a? And then what about the data from 1031 - why were those specific text messages kept from the old forum? Was that just a coincidence?
For some reason I end up asking a lot of questions in my posts. I'm trying to look at what the "facts" are here -
We have the packages.
We have the huge amount of missing bandwidth... I guess you didn't have the same problem back in December before the crash?... and the hidden directories on the server.
We have the Craigslist postings that are influenced by our dreams and our posts on the forum here.
We have the finger -which Exu pointed out could have been made by someone trying to impress BA. But how would they know what she would write in her Craigslist posts? maybe they are working together. Maybe the physical evidence, the packages and the finger were just added for atmosphere?
There are a few possibilities here - but they aren't endless:
1. BA is showing us a computer process that is helping to summon Chluthu. Her dreams of the future show what happens when Chluthu returns.
2. BA is pretending to tell this story as a way to upset HPHack. Or HPHack is part of the whole story and is doing this as a way to upset someone else. ( some kind of psychological revenge)
3. Someone is stealing a ton of bandwidth and they have a great cover story for it. 
4. BA is a front for someone playing an elaborate practical joke.
I know there are more possibilities - but I am running out of ideas. So help anyone?
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Arkham
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Since it seems algorithmic thinking works around here, I think we could separate our assumptions in two large groups:
1. The 'old gods' deal is real (no need in wondering is Cthulhu is really coming or not, with 'real' I mean someone thinks is real, be it BA, a mysterious cult or a rival psychic)
2. The 'old gods' deal is a fake.
Starting there we could so further separations acording to what we have:
a. BA is behind all this.
b. BA is not.
And then
I. We know all the players on this thing.
II.There is a unknown player.
So, we could have:
1.a.I: BA is using the SO server to run some kind of program to summon the old gods, while letting us know exactly what's coming trought her and our dreams. The server crashed as part of her plan.
1.a.II: BA is trying to summon the old gods using some kind of computer process. Someone crashed the server but she's confident enought to let us know exactly what's coming trought her and our dreams.
1.b.I:Someone in the SO is trying to summon the old gods using some kind of computer process. BA crashed the server and now is trying to warn us of what's coming if we don't stop them.
1.b.II: Someone trying to summon the old gods using some kind of computer process. BA is really having dreams warning her of what could happen and she's simply posting them as a catartic method.
2.a.I: BA is stealing bandwith and crafted a huge stunt about Lovecraftian stories to cover her tracks.
2.a.II: Someone is stealing bandwith and crafted a huge stunt about Lovecraftian stories to cover her tracks, using BA as a good hook.
2.b.I: Someone at SO crashed the server and to hide his/her/their mess tricked BA (and us) into the whole stunt.
2.b.II: Someone is stealing bandwith and crafted a huge stunt about Lovecraftian stories to cover her tracks, tricking BA, us and SO into the whole thing.
Or maybe I just shouldn't post without coffee in my system.
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Jjason
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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As long as we're trying to synthesis what we've done so far, here's a list of the different people we know are involved and what they've been doing:
B.A Saint Feline - Posts craigslists with descriptions of dreams (dreams that contain directions to real world places and passwords), sends people packages that point towards Sentry Outpost
Chorazos - Put creepy files on Sentry Outpost and Ronomi towards unknown ends
D.C. - Paints pictures and gives them to BA, writes letters to B.A, leaves angel fingers at Palm Readers
If we're not willing to accept the existance of psychic powers, then B.A. has to be connected to Chorazos somehow - otherwise how would she know the password information? I don't think it makes any sense that she would both hide files on Sentry Outpost and give us the information on how to find it.
So here's my theory: Chorazos isn't an individual, it's a group that B.A. is a member of. But she's decided she's not comfortable with whatever it is they're doing and has decided to try and stop them. She can't directly act against them because then they'd find out and work to stop her, possibly even hurt her depending on how intense Chorazos is. She can't communicate with us directly for the same reason - fear of discovery. So she communicates indirectly and through code, giving us just enough information to push us in the right direction without revealing herself. It's possible therefore that it was BA that crashed the server - to prevent whatever it was Chorazos was doing. D.C. might be another member of Chorazos who's trying to help BA.
This doesn't explain what Chorazos is doing with the files or why Sentry Outpost was targeted. If they're actually a Mythos cult then they're trying to raise Yog Sothoth but maybe not. And even if they are, the purpose of the MUD is obscure - what's the stuff from the Craigslist doing in there?
Sentry Outpost might be a random target, but if I was trying to hide files on someone's server, a forum on computer security would be my last choice. So I don't think this is a random choice. Which actually brings us back to the original topic of this thread. Sorry to keep bring it up HPhack but so far, the events at Arkham are the only notable event connected to these forums that might explain people of the kind that use quotes from the Necronomicon targeting Sentry Outpost.
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Dante
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 12:15 am Post subject: |
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There are at least two more possible players in all of this:
First is the mysterious "she" referenced in D.C.'s letter:
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| So I did it for you, but am no closer to knowing why. Neither is she. |
Also, this may or may not be the same "she," but there is another appearance in Howard's dream (Note: I'm willing to assume for now that dreams are a valid source of information here, since we've seen too many unexplainable coincidences otherwise):
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| And then she [B.A.?] is standing right in front of me in glowing rainment. She looks like no saint I have ever seen. Her eyes look right through me. "She would have killed you too," she says, with a compassion that makes me begin to weep. |
She being the person responsible for whatever happened in the cave?
Also, as obfuscating as Exu tried to be, he did seem to have some insight into what was going on, and he mentioned a "dark counterplayer" several times. Whoever this is could be Chorazos or D.C. or this "she" or somebody else. Plus, we've speculated several times that B.A. seems to be directing her messages to at least two or more people.
Finally, there are the former Sentries. Would they have any reason to target SentryOutpost now? I'm thinking especially of Peter, given that he was at Miskatonic, seemed to have a macabre interest in the events that happened, and left here on bad terms, it seems. Any idea where he is now?
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So, I'm taking a look way back to the original Harrisonburg Craigslist, from the messages that seemed to be targeted a specific people:
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Behind the post office, by the dumpster - w4m
Reply to: pers-315849796SPLATcraigslist.org
Date: 2007-04-20, 11:57PM EDT
You: Muttering. Murmuring. Growling.
Me: Kicking you away
Circling around. Refusing to leave. Begging. ... yakshof lana al majul ... yakshof lana al majul ... yakshof lana al majul ... over and over and over. I am bigger. I am stronger. But I cannot stop you. |
Knowing what we know now, and given the content of the post, the use of the Arablish and the bit about "by the dumpster", doesn't it seem like this could have been directed at Choraz[os], who seems to have been responsible for the coredump/logs? |
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Unfictionrose
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These are all good thoughts. I'm still not sure on who BA is and if I trust her or not. BA has given us information though, so she is useful. I agree that there is a "dark player"
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Tipsila
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| Dante wrote: |
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So, I'm taking a look way back to the original Harrisonburg Craigslist, from the messages that seemed to be targeted a specific people:
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Behind the post office, by the dumpster - w4m
Reply to: pers-315849796SPLATcraigslist.org
Date: 2007-04-20, 11:57PM EDT
You: Muttering. Murmuring. Growling.
Me: Kicking you away
Circling around. Refusing to leave. Begging. ... yakshof lana al majul ... yakshof lana al majul ... yakshof lana al majul ... over and over and over. I am bigger. I am stronger. But I cannot stop you. |
Knowing what we know now, and given the content of the post, the use of the Arablish and the bit about "by the dumpster", doesn't it seem like this could have been directed at Choraz[os], who seems to have been responsible for the coredump/logs? |
I think it sounds like B.A. is talking about a cat... maybe one of Lovecraft's cats...
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A yowl now came from the farther peak, and the old leader paused abruptly in his conversation. It was one of the army's outposts, stationed on the highest of the mountains to watch the one foe which Earth's cats fear; the very large and peculiar cats from Saturn, who for some reason have not been oblivious of the charm of our moon's dark side. They are leagued by treaty with the evil toad-things, and are notoriously hostile to our earthly cats; so that at this juncture a meeting would have been a somewhat grave matter.
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Also, Saturn turned retrograde in Leo (speaking of cats) on December 5th, 2006, and resumed direct motion on April 19 of this year. |
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Dante
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I think it sounds like B.A. is talking about a cat... maybe one of Lovecraft's cats... |
Well for all we know Chorazos could be a cat. Let me clarify:
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"Behind the post office" = hidden here on SentryOutPOST
"By the dumpster" = http://www.sentryoutpost.com/coredump/logs/sozarohc |
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Unfictionrose
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| He had sent me another private message pushing for details to support his newest theory. This time he asked if Adrianna had perhaps just been pretending to be in love with me in order to get in good with department. I have a hard enough time hearing rumors that the spelunking team did the murders and then magically disappeared, I didn't need to hear that my probably dead girlfriend was just pretending to love me. |
So was Peter's idea that Adrianna was using you so she could get to lead the CS and physics people into the cave? I'm not sure what he was suggesting with his questions about her actions. But, unbelievably rude. (As is this post probably -sorry. I have bad manners sometimes.)
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hey if Chorazos is Schrödinger's cat we can tie-in that heavy particle research that was supposed to be happen in the caves. It all fits! 
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HPhack
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Another day, another pile of questions that feel like being in a confessional.
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| She being the person responsible for whatever happened in the cave? |
I've thought about this some, Dante. I think I must have started crying because I thought the voice was talking about Adrianna. My nightmares about the caves are often about being trapped with her. I don't for a second believe she killed anyone, though, so why would my dreams say something like that to me?
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| The more I understand about what happened, the more you seem to be a target of this whole mystery BA led us into. |
I don't want to be. Where is the opt out list for that one?
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| 2. BA is pretending to tell this story as a way to upset HPHack. Or HPHack is part of the whole story and is doing this as a way to upset someone else. ( some kind of psychological revenge) |
I got tense earlier and threw some accusations at Biff, I think the above is what really got me riled up. I feel tormented by this whole thing. I get to dig up the past and go into cricket killing mode and have a sometime employer tell me I made the crickets from nothing and am doing this to upset someone else? We've got to assume that all of us are innocent victims or pawns, don't we?
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| Sorry to keep bring it up HPhack but so far, the events at Arkham are the only notable event connected to these forums that might explain people of the kind that use quotes from the Necronomicon targeting Sentry Outpost. |
That seems totally random, from scraps left over in a database that aren't a representative sample. People make such a huge deal of Miskatonic's literary reputation. Chorazos getting tied up in all those massacre rumors was like ringing the dinner bell for the journalists. If I went to Yale, you'd think Skull & Bones was behind it all. If I went to Mizzou, you'd think Mystical Seven was behind it. Convenient boogiemen.
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| I'm thinking especially of Peter, given that he was at Miskatonic, seemed to have a macabre interest in the events that happened, and left here on bad terms, it seems. Any idea where he is now? |
I haven't heard much about him in years, but I didn't really think anything of that. I actually always assumed that meant he was involved in some military project, but that's just an assumption.
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