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Lestat5891
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Well, this may be a silly suggestion, but if we were to get a hold of BA and ask her to try to forsee what would happen for either handoff. Or ask her to guide us to the right choice.
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Jamesmills
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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I agree, Lestat; B.A. might be the only person I consider to trust.
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Lestat5891
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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BA I trusted from the begining; and I trust howard as well(I only trusted DC because I trust Biff and the rest of the WV trip crew and they vouched for him). Art and Severn always gave me creepy vibes. Then again, show me when corporations aren't evil, even in the movies.
However, my suggestion is to rip every single thing we can about the hard drive, photograph every single surface of it before we hand it to anyone. I'm sure there's some kind of program out there that would let us clone a hard drive, is there not?
I also encourage extreme caution in dealing with Mr. CEO. I have a vision of him sitting in his office wringing his hands at the atrocities he has/will commit. Either that or he drinks a lot of coffee and says the words "yeah" and "umm" and "riight" a lot.
However, his company has significantly more resources and cash flow to back up their research, this is only done on personal time and computers. So if we made an alliance of sorts with Forsythe, it wouldnt be all loss.
I dunno.
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Obtusitivity
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| Lestat5891 wrote: |
BA I trusted from the begining; and I trust howard as well(I only trusted DC because I trust Biff and the rest of the WV trip crew and they vouched for him). Art and Severn always gave me creepy vibes. Then again, show me when corporations aren't evil, even in the movies.
However, my suggestion is to rip every single thing we can about the hard drive, photograph every single surface of it before we hand it to anyone. I'm sure there's some kind of program out there that would let us clone a hard drive, is there not?
I also encourage extreme caution in dealing with Mr. CEO. I have a vision of him sitting in his office wringing his hands at the atrocities he has/will commit. Either that or he drinks a lot of coffee and says the words "yeah" and "umm" and "riight" a lot.
However, his company has significantly more resources and cash flow to back up their research, this is only done on personal time and computers. So if we made an alliance of sorts with Forsythe, it wouldnt be all loss.
I dunno. |
I'm sorry -- My intent is really not to sound like a total prick here -- but are you seriously suggesting that we've been sitting on this hard drive since august and hadn't yet copied the fucking thing?.
As far as "trusting" howard -- what in the fuck, dude?! -- i mean, even if you do trust him -- bringing it up like that is just kind of fucked -- he's a sentry who reads and posts here man -- he's not some third party out in the ether -- he's right here.
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Octopiii
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:33 am Post subject: |
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I know we're under a lot of stress, but I'm sure there are nicer ways to get the message across.
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HPhack
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| Do you? That is, do you have unequivocal evidence to trust Devon Conrad? |
I don't think any of us do, James. Heck, some of us (me included) were fairly sure he had lured the Sentries in WV into horrible danger. To be honest, though, we (I) might have jumped the gun. I don't remember who it was from the WV team that described Devon as a confused child in trouble. Then I started feeling pretty stupid for what a panic I had myself in. It was the fact that there were five of them there on that mountain, I'm growing to hate that number.
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| but a large number of us had at one point installed and actively run the lucky5 virus -- which at the very least could have potentially given chorazos enough information to identify who we are and where we reside ... I'm not going to stand aside as I watch more people die. I'm just not. |
I've still got it installed on a machine, just a machine that I don't use except in a quarantine environment. Don't worry, it's not purring away in the background like it used to, but Obs is right: even this server was infected with something. We're playing catch up to those folks.
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| BA I trusted from the begining; and I trust howard as well(I only trusted DC because I trust Biff and the rest of the WV trip crew and they vouched for him). Art and Severn always gave me creepy vibes. Then again, show me when corporations aren't evil, even in the movies. |
I'm not sure I'm completely with you on the BA & DC fronts, but, like you, it shifted my opinion alot hearing a first-person account from the Sentries in WV. I don't know what to believe about Art, I used to trust him and it is hard to let go of that, but it sure seems like Art was hiding stuff. Peter is another issue entirely, I'm not sure I EVER trusted Peter. He always seemed so eager to advance his own career and reputation. I'm just not that driven, so I get pretty suspicious of anyone who is. On the flip side, I've known Peter to be unethical, just self-centered.
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| I also encourage extreme caution in dealing with Mr. CEO. I have a vision of him sitting in his office wringing his hands at the atrocities he has/will commit. Either that or he drinks a lot of coffee and says the words "yeah" and "umm" and "riight" a lot. However, his company has significantly more resources and cash flow to back up their research, this is only done on personal time and computers. So if we made an alliance of sorts with Forsythe, it wouldnt be all loss. |
He's more the kind of guy who'll ask you a direct question, and then bury his head in his Blackberry while you answer. Don't sell him short, though: Peter Severn is one of the most talented security theorists of our generation. Back during Y2K, he made the argument that systemic flaw corrections would be the battlefield of the 21st century and that the Y2K crisis was a warm up. In 2001, he predicted that the world would abandon the POP/SMTP protocols by 2010 and most packet-based protocols by 2015. Why? Because they were "better tools for the opposition than for civilization" in the long run. He could take a current problem and blow through landscape of a decade to make a convincing argument of something's inevitibility.
And Obs -- Lestat didn't piss me off at all. Maybe if he had said he didn't trust me it might have stung a little. I think you guys forget how much more civil a place this is now than it used to be. Knock-down drag outs and finger wagging were once upon a time par for the course. I like it much better this way.
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Transtar
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Well some new news in the form of a interesting VM. It sounds like its from devon, but i'm not too sure. Something about marie, a photographer and contacting us next week with instructions, this should be interesting. Link
working on a transcript, but if someone else could post it that would be great (my ears are really clogged up from a cold)
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Catherwood
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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This is what I hear:
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Hi, Marie.
This, uh, this photographer is being a complete asshole,
and I can't get Austin to pick up his work.
but those photos are going to have to be in Boulder, next week.
Anyway, I'll call, call with instructions when I arrive.
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(edit to insert missing word)
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Jjason
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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When DC says he can't get Austin, he might mean that he can't get to Austin. Or he might be talking about somebody named Austin. Just to throw that out there.
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Noyb
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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Hi, Marie.
This, uh, this photographer is being a complete asshole,
and I can't get Austin to pick up his work.
but those photos are going to have to be in Boulder, next week.
Anyway, I'll call, call with instructions when I arrive.
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He might be referring to some of the original sentries. Marie ( ), Austin = Alan, Boulder = Art.
So does he want us to get him in contact with Art?
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Obtusitivity
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Octopiii wrote: |
I know we're under a lot of stress, but I'm sure there are nicer ways to get the message across. |
you're absolutely right. there are more polite ways to do so. |
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Mapmaker
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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Hi, Marie.
This, uh, this photographer is being a complete asshole,
and I can't get Austin to pick up his work.
but those photos are going to have to be in Boulder, next week.
Anyway, I'll call, call with instructions when I arrive.
Thanks. |
He might be referring to some of the original sentries. Marie (), Austin = Alan, Boulder = Art.
So does he want us to get him in contact with Art? |
That's definitely a possibility. Good call. |
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Dav Flamerock
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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So then is this a coded message? Or is whoever is calling vaguely confused? I mean Marie is dead, so either this person is out of the loop entirely or they are afraid of whoever might be overhearing them. The thing about Alan picking up the photos seems confusing (assuming it is a code). But now I REALLY want to know more about this photographer and (maybe) know for certain who this is.
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Octopiii
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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Could photographer be referring to Peter/Forsythe in reference to the pictures of Spurnwerthe he provided to us? The asshole part certainly fits.
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Biff
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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OK, let's go on the CL theory.
Marie = SF bay = our SF agents who have the drive?
Photographer = ?? (possibly peter)
Austin == Alan = Alan's research on the det 3?
Boulder = Art = need to get this info to Art?
dunno if the hard drive is involved at all, but this IS interesting. |
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