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Econjen
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Came back from lunch with this magic moment perched on my work computer screen:
y2kvet (1:42:22 PM): Look, Jen, I know it probably makes you uncomfortable I even know about this AIM account of yours, but I really need to talk to you privately.
y2kvet (1:42:50 PM): I have some real fears about the little monkey boy that we should chat about. Not the kind of the stuff I want to post about on SO.
y2kvet (1:43:00 PM): Do you have time now?
All I could come up with to respond with was "Why? Do you have time to go fuck yourself?" I just can't talk to him right now with any sort of pleasantry. Why did he bother contacting me? It's not like we were buddy buddy or anything. Gah.
Ass.
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Lovek
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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Welllll... Couldn't hurt to say something could it?
Although, I would imagine Stu will have plenty to say to him now....
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Econjen
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Hmph. I probably could, but I can't imagine having anything nice to say. He disappeared on us, ignored Marie, couldn't even be bothered to say anything about Bryce or Kevin or anyone, and now wants to have a nice little sit-down chit-chat? I'm supposed to be okay with that?!
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Lovek
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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No, tell him to eff off. Then see what he has to say after that  If it's important, he'll keep talking. If not, then at least you'll feel better.
Or someone else could take a swing at him... er... at it.
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Twee
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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Jen, nothing good will come out of ignoring him. If nothing else, tell him what you think. As Lovek says, if it's important he'll be there after that, and maybe you'll feel a little better.
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James Stone
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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Art's spanking the monkey 
Come on Stu, defend your honour. What shit has he dug up on you?  |
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StuR
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Come on Stu, defend your honour. What shit has he dug up on you? |
Fuck all if I know  But there was that one time in band camp...
Shit, I prefer the idea that he's been holed up, wanking the lily fluffer into a pert dandelion stem rather than obsessing about my magnificence, tbh.
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MTHoopla
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| StuR wrote: |
| James Stone wrote: |
| Come on Stu, defend your honour. What shit has he dug up on you? |
Fuck all if I know But there was that one time in band camp...
Shit, I prefer the idea that he's been holed up, wanking the lily fluffer into a pert dandelion stem rather than obsessing about my magnificence, tbh. |
 Maybe he's doing both at the same time.
 I should be shot.
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James Stone
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| StuR wrote: |
| Shit, I prefer the idea that he's been holed up, wanking the lily fluffer into a pert dandelion stem rather than obsessing about my magnificence, tbh. |
But his website diatribe claims that he is prone to do exactly the opposite:
| Arthur Schwarzenegger wrote: |
| There's only one viable solution: you need to become a bigger predator than the predators that made you want to lock yourself away. Smart predators proactively eliminate competitive predators from their territory, even if it means a few scars. Those weaker predators either learn to avoid the bigger predator's territory, or they end up maimed or dead and a warning to others. |
I say diatribe because I certainly haven't seen him anywhere around here bringing death to our own invaders. |
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Dante
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Just throwing this out there, but Art -- if you are still lurking and reading -- I think that given recent events, you might want to check your website regularly for incursions from "choraz." Same goes for you, Stu. That goes for all of us, really.
Kevin's site has been shut down for a couple of weeks now, and there is no reason to believe that whoever is behind this has given up doing whatever it is he is trying to do... |
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Mkaos
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Good advice, Dante. I can't help but wonder how things would be different if we had caught those extra directories and files before the crash in December  I know that I watch my home computer pretty carefully, but never really thought to check anything on Sentry Outpost.  So, please, if you have a website, keep an eye on things. You just never know.
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Y2Kveteran
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Econjen wrote: |
| All I could come up with to respond with was "Why? Do you have time to go fuck yourself?" |
You know, Jen, that pisses me the fuck off. Thanks so much for sharing my private IM address. I certainly wouldn't do the same to you, I understand, your dirty little secret is safe with me. I don't want to fight with you, Jen, because that's what the real culprit wants us all to do. He wants us to bicker and argue and point fingers at each other while he sits and watches us and cackles between fists full of Cheetos. He's been trying to misdirect us from the beginning, and I’m going to do the same thing Bryce did and stop taking that bait.
So here's my theory. This whole server infection deal is Stu's doing. Does it strain credibility too much that he put his site up just before everything starting going batshit with the Outpost? Does it exhaust our belief in randomness that some of the infection is on his cleverly self-referential sub-domain nec.ronomi.com? Can we actually find it believable that Stu is apparently a combination of a tech guru and an idiot? If so, not only does someone probably have a bridge to sell us, I've got the straw that breaks our camel's back.
Stu certainly always wanted to know what Bryce was doing, but apparently was never any help, misdirected Bryce's efforts and aggravated him so much he lost it. That's exactly the kind of thing the person behind this infection would benefit from: being close to the person who might accidentally prove them guilty, so that they can misdirect and spy at the same time.
Which means Stu isn't just to blame for the server infections, he's responsible what what happened to Bryce. Would it be such a stretch now to suspect he could also be connected to even worse stuff? There are tidbits throughout these boards that support this idea. These are just tidbits of messages, certainly, but look at what they tell us about Stu and what Bryce thought was going on:
| StuR wrote: |
| What ideas are you talking about, Bryce? Let me know what you think you're working on so I don't waste my time hammering on the same nail. |
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| Uhm, wow guys, seriously, it's a blog. Since when has the internet been chock-full of truthiness? I'm sorry if you thought it was too ... uhm ... something ... but who in their right mind reads a blog like that and takes it seriously? |
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| Bryce, thanks for the deluge of emails - they were a little rude, though. And weird. And the phone calls! I'm impressed you figured out my phone number here at work, but dude. That's ... you know ... creepy. And the messages on the company voice mail were, like, creepiER. |
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| Your welcome. At least, I know how to answer a phone when somebody is calling with advice. Whatever. I'm not going to let myself be destracted by a little kid that doesn't know the difference between a port scan and a full syn attack. It is no wonder they are sending jobs outside of the country if you represent the people they have to hire from. |
| Themagician wrote: |
| Meanwhile, I’m starting to develop a theory. On my own!! Without Stu telling me what to think. The horror! *groan* |
| Themagician wrote: |
| It is no wonder grifters and three-card Monte dealers use the same tricks as magicians. |
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| But, like I said, I'm not going to be destracted by you anymore. I don't mean to offend. I'm really on to something here and you really do not help me at all. I can see that we are on the edge of a big discovery. |
I would have preferred to the get the monkey's head a little further into the noose before synching it tight, but Jen kinda screwed that up. So there's my best sketch of a case, which is why I couldn't really be hanging out and potentially giving away to Stu that I was on to him. Now watch him whine and misdirect and plead innocence without ever having contributed anything to solving problem. Why are you still hanging out here, then, monkey boy? Can't wait to see who gets claimed as the next victim of this thing? Are you feeling so lucky and superior to rest of us that you want to mingle with your victims? Just too bulletproof, aren't you?
I'm just surprised he hasn't been one of the people in here encouraging all of you to wag your fingers at me and pigeonhole me as some kind of asshat. Let's see how long it takes him to jump into THAT role. You're becoming so predictable, Stu.
Art
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Dante
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Wow Art, when you show your face in here again, you come roaring back with a vengeance...
I think you raise some interesting points about Stu (who, I'm sure, can defend himself) but you gotta admit a lot of your evidence is pretty flimsy at best. I don't see anything in those quotes you pulled out that really suggests that Stu was doing anything nefarious. We already knew he is kind of a blowhard and that he and Bryce didn't think too highly of each other. Do you have any access to any of the emails between Bryce and Stu -- emails that would show more direct evidence of misdirection? Marie, would those emails still be on Bryce's computer? Also, Stu's blog seems to start in February, which is a couple of months after the initial Outpost crash. And if we believe Stu, it was actually Bryce who was harrassing him, not the other way around, and Bryce didn't deny that.
I'm not saying you are wrong about Stu, because I agree that the guy is a little skeevy (hi StuR!), but the aphorism "The best defense is a good offense" does come to mind. More proof of what you are saying would be nice, that's all.
The nec.ronomi.com thing is creepy, I'll give you that much.
Finally, I can't help but make note of this:
| Art wrote: |
| Are you feeling so lucky and superior to rest of us that you want to mingle with your victims? Just too bulletproof, aren't you? |
| B.A. wrote: |
The anger. The resentment. The challenge.
I hear him ask if you're feeling lucky.
Are you? |
http://provo.craigslist.org/mis/381821326.html
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Mapmaker
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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I come out of my self-imposed de-internetification as a celebration of having finished a quarter of my work and what do I find? Art tearing Stu a new one!
I'm sort of with Dante on this one, although I'd call Stu an asshat more than a skeeve. I would seriously love to have a smoking gun (figuratively) on Stu (or anyone); but nothing of the sort has really manifested itself, y'know?
Also, what use is being bulletproof when a swift kick to the face'll do?  |
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Y2Kveteran
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Dante wrote: |
| Wow Art, when you show your face in here again, you come roaring back with a vengeance... |
What else can I do, Dante, given how everyone is to tell me to fuck myself.
| Dante wrote: |
| I think you raise some interesting points about Stu (who, I'm sure, can defend himself) but you gotta admit a lot of your evidence is pretty flimsy at best. I don't see anything in those quotes you pulled out that really suggests that Stu was doing anything nefarious. |
I know that, Dante. That's why I wasn't on here throwing around accusations. Instead, I was trying to collect more serious evidence. There is a reason why it is hard to bust disinformationists: it is about motive more than it is evidence. However, if you accept as a theory that each of the known people in this board might be connected to the culprit in the same way that serial killers love to visit their own crime scenes, then it follows:
* if it were one of the "old Sentries" it means someone has had a hidden agenda for years with no clear motivation for why it would come to fruition now
* if it were one of the "new Sentries" it means looking for someone not too conspicuous but not too isolated ... start building out a good list of people of that sort, and your list is mighty short. Stu. Maybe you, Dante. Perhaps one of the "active dreamers". Maybe one of the admitted military intelligence officers.
One suspect rises above the rest, a suspect with access to the machine where the Outpost is too. That would be Stu. For many of the rest of you, if you go back through the discussions looking to DISPROVE a theorem like "Dante is behind this all," you find at least an example or two that raises a doubt.
| Dante wrote: |
| Do you have any access to any of the emails between Bryce and Stu -- emails that would show more direct evidence of misdirection? Marie, would those emails still be on Bryce's computer? Also, Stu's blog seems to start in February, which is a couple of months after the initial Outpost crash. And if we believe Stu, it was actually Bryce who was harrassing him, not the other way around, and Bryce didn't deny that. |
1) I had conversations with Bryce, but nothing I can produce as evidence. He didn't trust Stu. He thought Stu knew more than he was pretending. Remember all his posts about magicians and misdirection? That must be what Bryce meant.
2) First blog post is in February, but clearly the infection is on his part of server even more than ours.
3) Blaming your accuser is modus operandi of disinformationists. As is claiming to a victim yourself. So Stu claiming Bryce was harrassing him (do you believe that claim for a SECOND, Marie?) doesn't do much to clear him from being a disinformationist.
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The nec.ronomi.com thing is creepy, I'll give you that much.
Finally, I can't help but make note of this:
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| Are you feeling so lucky and superior to rest of us that you want to mingle with your victims? Just too bulletproof, aren't you? |
| B.A. wrote: |
The anger. The resentment. The challenge.
I hear him ask if you're feeling lucky.
Are you? |
http://provo.craigslist.org/mis/381821326.html
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That would be too cinematic, as fun as it would be to embrace a Dirty Harry fantasy. When it comes right down to it, I just want to get whoever drove Bryce to this. I want to be able to go and visit Bryce and know in my heart I got the bad guy who did this to him. I want to believe that making some justice happen would help him heal and mend and come back to us. I've been under the belief that was important to other people, too.
Art
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