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Sinyx
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| Dante wrote: |
Is Harrisonburg near the location of this cave? Can anyone confirm that? Howard? |
It's a good possibility. A quick search shows that most of western Virginia is littered with a good deal of limestone caves and caverns. Harrisonburg is located within this area in Rockingham county. Many of these caves are closed to the public and located on private property.
VA Cave Info
If Howard was around we could ask. He was active in this thread when VA was brought up first though.
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| That's Virginia? West Virginia? That whole region of the country is kind of a messy blur to me. |
You'd think the little lights would go off in his head and connect the CL's to the cave incident then. Oh Howard, where are you? |
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Dante
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Sinyx wrote: |
If Howard was around we could ask. He was active in this thread when VA was brought up first though.
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| That's Virginia? West Virginia? That whole region of the country is kind of a messy blur to me. |
You'd think the little lights would go off in his head and connect the CL's to the cave incident then. Oh Howard, where are you? |
You'd think, but the "messy blur" part of it makes me think that perhaps it may have sailed right over his head.
Gee, sure would be nice to know for sure... |
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Mkaos
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Dante wrote: |
| Most of the Arabic that we've seen in the Harrisonburg CLs has already been translated, more or less. Mostly because the same phrases also showed up in the screamer text from the Ports, here and here. |
Does that seem odd to anyone else?
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Dante
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Mkaos wrote: |
| Dante wrote: |
| Most of the Arabic that we've seen in the Harrisonburg CLs has already been translated, more or less. Mostly because the same phrases also showed up in the screamer text from the Ports, here and here. |
Does that seem odd to anyone else? |
What? Other than the fact that B.A. seems to be feeding us lines in Arabic that are identical to text found in a vaguely malicious computer file connected to some kind of Lovecraftian cryptocult? That's no odder than her conveniently providing passwords like Xé:3a and ÇT1Óa. Clearly she has some kind of Psychic Friends connection with whatever is going on, which is why it would be awfully nice for her to explain why that might be... |
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Mkaos
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Dante wrote: |
| What? Other than the fact that B.A. seems to be feeding us lines in Arabic that are identical to text found in a vaguely malicious computer file connected to some kind of Lovecraftian cryptocult? That's no odder than her conveniently providing passwords like Xé:3a and ÇT1Óa. |
First of all, you made me snort! At work! 
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| Clearly she has some kind of Psychic Friends connection with whatever is going on, which is why it would be awfully nice for her to explain why that might be... |
I hope this doesn't sound rude, but isn't that what she's trying to do? I know that there was no love lost between you and Kevin and you probably believe little of what he had to say. The same is not true for me. In fact, there are few people on this Earth that I would have trusted more than him. Whether or not you agree with his attitude or how he went about things, you can not say that he wasn't genuine or honest. When he says that BA is just as freaked out by all of this as we are, I believe him.
She's said as much to us. There was that one post where she talks about how she's telling the truth, but that she doesn't know what that truth is. I believe her. As much as that makes me want to pull my hair out, I just can't. I almost feel bad for her.
I realize that I probably sound crazy or snippy. That's more my frustration at her and the situation than it is directed at you. I agree, it would be really nice if she'd just cut the crap and explain this stuff. I just don't think we're going to get that unless we can figure a way to force it out of her. I have no idea how to do that which frustrates me to no end, but no matter how frustrated I get, I am not ready to give up. She's one of the last connections that we have to what happened to Kevin and Bryce and I am willing to try and game her game a bit longer to see if I can learn anything more.
Maybe that makes me as crazy as she is.
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Dante
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I hope this doesn't sound rude, but isn't that what she's trying to do? |
Oh, I think I've experienced rude around here, and that wasn't even close to rude...
So if that what's she's trying to do, she's doing a helluva lousy job doing it. I am completely willing to believe that she's freaked out, but if she *really* and *truly* wanted help, then she would indeed cut the crap and reach out and take advantage of the help we're willing to offer. Anybody who thinks that accumulating lots of frequent dreaming miles from as many people as possible is a good way to solve her problems... well, she kinda pretty much gets what she deserves in the confusion and freakout department.
She knows we're out there; she has ways to get in touch with us directly. Even if she sincerely doesn't know what's going on, it would be extremely refreshing and potentially productive (for both of us, I would think) to just sit down and have a normal interactive chat about what's been going on and what it might mean. You know, a conversation with give and take, back and forth, equal partners? Radical, I know.
I don't expect her to know the full truth, but I'm more than tired of lapping at the edges of whatever juicy dream morsels she feels like parceling out this fortnight. I'd like to think that we've earned some modicum of her trust. The fact that she refuses to even acknowledge what we're trying to do for her crushes every last bit of sympathy for her that I might otherwise have.
Especially when you factor in Bryce and Kevin.
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Mapmaker
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Dante wrote: |
She knows we're out there; she has ways to get in touch with us directly. Even if she sincerely doesn't know what's going on, it would be extremely refreshing and potentially productive (for both of us, I would think) to just sit down and have a normal interactive chat about what's been going on and what it might mean. You know, a conversation with give and take, back and forth, equal partners? Radical, I know.
I don't expect her to know the full truth, but I'm more than tired of lapping at the edges of whatever juicy dream morsels she feels like parceling out this fortnight. I'd like to think that we've earned some modicum of her trust. The fact that she refuses to even acknowledge what we're trying to do for her crushes every last bit of sympathy for her that I might otherwise have. |
Exceptionally well-put.
Part of me wonders at what point she might reach out for such a dialogue. I could understand the crickets not being enough - creepy, yet harmless. Bryce was another touchstone - apparently insanity three time zones away was not enough to bring her out of her CL cocoon. The death of a person she met at her home came and went, apparently presaged by drawings inserted in packages someone mailed from her town, done up to look as if she was the sender - nope.
Perhaps we could insert into her dreams a great earthquake causing Florida to sink, or for crocodiles to devour her. Maybe if she's in imminent harm, she'll decide that the world beyond craigslist is worth visiting. |
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Mkaos
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Dante wrote: |
| The fact that she refuses to even acknowledge what we're trying to do for her crushes every last bit of sympathy for her that I might otherwise have. |
That's not exactly true, is it? Is she acknowledging us by putting our stuff in her dreams? Not that I particularly want to be in her dreams, mind you, but if it helps?
I guess you guys make a pretty convincing case on me being as crazy as she is. 
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Dante
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| That's not exactly true, is it? Is she acknowledging us by putting our stuff in her dreams? Not that I particularly want to be in her dreams, mind you, but if it helps? |
Yes, I suppose that is acknowledgment of a sort. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of, you know, saying thank you and explaining why it matters.
Here are some questions that B.A. could answer without knowing "the truth":
1) When did she start having these dreams?
2) What made her compelled to post about them on Craigslist?
3) How does she decide which city to post them under?
4) How does she decide to split the dreams up the way she does? Why groups of 13?
4) Who does she think the various individuals known as "You" are? How many "You"s are there? Does it matter whether they are w4m or w4w?
5) What does she think the significance of the cats in her dreams could be?
6) Where does she think the Arabic comes from? Does she even realize that she is dreaming in Arabic?
7) At various times she has recognized some of the figures in her dreams. Who does she think they were?
8.) In telling the Arabic dude about the visitor, she wrote: "He showed me your work. It led him to me. There was something missing. He didn't catch it." What did the visitor miss?
9) Does she know who DC might be?
10) Does she have any idea why someone might have left a package with a finger for her in a palm reader's in NYC?
11) What did the drummer say to her in her dream? What did she talk about with the little girl?
I'm sure there's more, but these questions would form the basis for a nice friendly informative conversation without having to delve in to tricky questions about "truth" and "what it all means." These are all questions that are within her capacity to answer, or at least attempt to answer.
We also know that she has some questions for us. Wouldn't she like to know the answers to such questions as:
1) Who are we? Where are we?
2) How did we come to be involved?
3) How many of us are there?
4) What have we learned about the meaning of things such as "Chorazos" and "Xé:3a" and "Providence."
5) What possible dangers lurk beneath?
I'm tired of all information exchange taking place via twisty dream fragments. Knowing the answers to some of the above questions might even lead somewhere.. |
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Mkaos
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Dante wrote: |
8.) In telling the Arabic dude about the visitor, she wrote: "He showed me your work. It led him to me. There was something missing. He didn't catch it." What did the visitor miss?
9) Does she know who DC might be?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that obvious? Or am I missing something?
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Dante
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Dante wrote: |
8.) In telling the Arabic dude about the visitor, she wrote: "He showed me your work. It led him to me. There was something missing. He didn't catch it." What did the visitor miss?
9) Does she know who DC might be?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that obvious? Or am I missing something? |
You're going to have to be more specific about what you mean by "that."
The short answer to question #9 is most likely going to be "No" but I would encourage B.A. to speculate.
If you think the answer to #8 is obvious, please enlighten me. 
Thinking again about #8, it raises a couple of other new questions (since Kevin never gave us a clear picture of what exactly went down during his visit):
8a) What kind of 'work' are we talking about?
8b) How did you recognize what the visitor showed you as this person's 'work.' |
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Mkaos
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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I guess took it as obvious that it was DC that somehow led us all to her. I mean, it was his painting that led you guys here and I'd never heard of her before. I don't think Kevin had either. I suppose we don't know that to be true though?
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Dante
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess took it as obvious that it was DC that somehow led us all to her. I mean, it was his painting that led you guys here and I'd never heard of her before. I don't think Kevin had either. I suppose we don't know that to be true though? |
Well to be technical, it wasn't the painting that led us here, it was the sequence of scrawled numbers in the I-Ching code on the book pages that accompanied the painting..
But if that's what you meant by 'obvious', then that doesn't have anything to do with the questions that I posed. In fact, knowing that DC led us to B.A. only makes the questions of WHO DC is and WHY he did that more pressing. Moreover, if "your work" does in fact mean the painting, then this would suggest that B.A. is talking to DC in her dreams, and even somehow knows who he is. That's something I would like to ask her about!
And it still doesn't answer the question of what Kevin missed. |
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Mkaos
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Dante wrote: |
| And it still doesn't answer the question of what Kevin missed. |
The fact that the note was signed B and not BA? That's really the only thing that stands out to me. Of course, I'm probably wrong, but it seems to fit.
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Dante
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Dante wrote: |
| And it still doesn't answer the question of what Kevin missed. |
The fact that the note was signed B and not BA? That's really the only thing that stands out to me. Of course, I'm probably wrong, but it seems to fit. |
Could be, but that makes it even stranger because then we have to ask "Who is B?" and is that different from "BA?" and if the packages were really from DC, why was the note not signed DC?? What's the point of signing them "B"? Is this the mysterious "she" that's been alluded to? |
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